DVD Review HTF REVIEW: King Kong - Two Disc Collector's Edition (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED).

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  1. Jim Peavy

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    With all due respect -- no way. In that frame I grabbed and posted over at the Classic Horror Film Board those support rods are gone. It may be a case of something such as Darrell S. has suggested, but it's not just a case of "the grayscale being handled so well".

    I certainly do not think this is any big deal at all. It was just interesting to me to find the rods, pointed out so clearly in the Cinefex article, had been removed; doubly so because, as many have mentioned, they made a point of leaving in all the other support rods, surface gauges, etc.
     
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    Since Warner Bros. got this print from a European source, is it possible that the frame in question physically had been cut out or that this print was different on that particular frame?
     
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    It might be the result of a cut. Warners used a British dupe negative as their main source element. However, the censored footage was physically cut from that negative at some point in the past. While they also had the separate censored portions, they lost a frame on each side of those segments due to the cutting. Warners then used a number of inferior sources to fill those (and, I assume, also other) gaps.

    I have no clue off-hand if that particular frame would've been one of those dropped frames, but it is worth noting that their main source element had at least some missing frames.

    DJ
     
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    I received my Colllectors Tin today. It looks fabulous - going to sit down and enjoy the contents tonight.

    Ii would love the poster from the offer to frame for my wall. If any kind soul from the US can accomodate such an offer I'll gladly ship the voucher, all proof of purchases', shipping costs and the price of a beer or $5 dollar amazon voucher for you trouble to you, if someone could then send it on to me.

    My email is in my profile.
     
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    Picked up the Best Buy exclusive today. I wish I could have gotten it for the sale price last week, but I was wrapped up in the holiday/X-Box 360 madness so I never heard anything about the exclusive set. Haven't watched any of the features yet, but I feel like I've already gotten my money's worth with the tin packaging...really well done job there.
     
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    After watching the restored King Kong on Turner Classics, I couldn't help but notice how much less pronounced the grain is with respect to the DVD. Can someone explain why this might be ?
     
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    Because satellite/digital cable has a fraction of the bandwidth that a DVD allows.

    It's like comparing a 92kbs mp3 to PCM.
     
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    Exactly. The image was nowhere near as sharp, crisp or detailed as the DVD, which still looks more gorgeous to me every time I pull it off the shelf and watch it again.
     
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    On one of the documentaries they mention that certain scenes in King Kong were censored in 1938. When did they get edited back into the film or is this the first time in 67 years that the full original theatrical cut has been available?
     
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    I've seen those cut scenes before, so they were available before this edition, but not sure for how long. I do believe this is the first time the cut scenes have been so well reintegrated with the film.
     
  11. Bill GrandPre

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    The check for my poster cleared today.
     
  12. Alberto_D

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    Hi everyone

    It's interesthing to notice that the major source used for this King Kong restoration was a fine grain internegative, made from a fine grain interpositive, in other words, a copy from a copy from original camera negative, so a second generation. You must know that fine grain have superior resolution and contrast compared to usual prints, but those fine grain of Kong was made in 1933, and at this time fine grain stock wasn't good as today.
    There is a surviving master made from original camera negative in the 1942. But according Mr harris and Warner it wasn't of better quality than the fine grain internegative, despite of be a generation earlier. But wasn't clear if they refer about quality in terms of image detail, or just about scratchs stains, blemishs, dupe sections and cuts, since in the 40's when this master was made it was already very used. A digital clean-up from a too much scratched stainned master can be extremelly expensive in 4K resolution.
    It's possible that this master wasn't made with a fine film stock, or maybe by optical lens, instead of film contact copping, which could get more detail lost than two generations copy using 30's fine grain stock with finnest coping method.
    Lowry Digital Images ins't perfect, like anybody else. They indeed have the best algorithms to reduce grain and increase image detail, but takes a thousand computer to processing, and since it compare the grain extructure from very similar areas to try to get more details than a single frame alone, it don't works well in scenes with movements. It's a very expansive processing. If Warner would take such luxurious to each title they would restore less films to DVD. Also for a 4K resolution project, 4K to see bether the dust and dirt to clean, since the surviving film elements probably don't even reach 2K, we would notice much more artefacts of grain reduction and sharpness.
    They could make it sharper and less grainy for video, but in big scream would be a kin artificial, since would be going to far with those filters ability.
    Having testesd MTI restoration system on Brazil, the same Warner use for their restoration, the best on market, a couple of times, I can say digital film restoration are fine, but as anything it's nothing a miracle. There are automatic tools, but we must take care with the risk of fake detections, so a significative percentage of the work it's still manual. It's possible yes to eliminate 100% of debris and scratchs, but would take too longer, and maybe some really heavy deffects get artefacts. SO using good sense we can say that the best is use the budget to get the more possible numbers of good digitaly restored films, instead of a fully 100% clean small number. What choice you would prefer?
    So we can say that Warner is going fine.
    In future, would be possible to combine the image information of several copies together, which would increase the ability to reduce grain and scratches and dust. For example, if two 35mm similar copies survived, with grain texture ver look like, but quite more heavy than was original negative, would be possible to the software to compare those sister frames to reduce grain in a more accurate way. At the prewsent day it's too expensive to work this way considering the cost of film resolution scanning and amount of data to work.

    There are so much possibilities I would like to tell you, but would take pages.

    Tahnks everybody to read my comments


    Alberto
     

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