How do you screw up a console launch?

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  1. Joel Mack

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    This is nothing new. When PS2 came out there wasn't a single reseller in my area that would sell the console only. They all had their bundles that you had to buy if you wanted the console. I'm sure you'll see this with Gamecube as well.
     
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    I really love this quote:
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    "When we came up with the program, we wanted it to be what's best for retailers," Microsoft spokesman James Bernard said. "This is based on what retailers told us they wanted."
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    What about what CONSUMERS want? Microsoft is starting to ride the line of discouraging interest in their X-Box. They should be concentrating on getting as many units sold as possible from the start, not concentrating on creating the most profitable game bundles. If they do not sell many consoles, there will not be future profits from games.
    I think the X-Box will be a success for Microsoft, but if they start these sort of practices, they could be sealing their own fate to end up in the "console hall of shame" right next to the Atari Jaguar.
    [Edited last by Jesse Leonard on August 19, 2001 at 03:27 AM]
     
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    And the Microsoft juggernaut rolls on...
    Here's to hoping this is the result of shoddy journalism, as I expect this story to be a bit of an exageration. No news yet from my retailer verifying this plan is in widespread adoption...
     
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    I think it will be up to individual retailers as to weather or not they will sell the x-box bundled like this. That article is obviously not telling the whole story. Certain resellers may want to try and wring they're customers for more money by only guaranteeing them a system if they want to spring for the package. BUT, the games and the system will probably not be shipped from the factory bundled together. It will be up to retailers to create the custom packages.
    I'll share an experience I had today ...I was at the mall and went into the Software etc.. (Which is affiliated with Babbages) and asked about pre-ordering an X-box. The kid behind the counter told me "we are not taking any more pre-orders for the X-box because we already filled our pre-order allotment". Now mind you, I had been to that store several times previously over the past several months and as recently as a week ago before today's visit -and I was always told by different people working there that the X-box had not gone on pre-order yet. So you can imagine my curiosity when they go from 'not taking pre-orders yet' to 'having all of they're pre-orders filled' within what must have been a one-week span.
    So anyway, this guy behind the counter continues (obviously up to some sneaky something) and says "We are doing a program now though, that if you pre-order five games or accessories with the system, we will pull one of the systems that is left over after allotment aside for you" Then he says "the good thing about this deal is that, you don't have to get all of the games that you pre-order, you can just get one or none and apply the credit towards the system". ?!?!?!? So what is the difference, I am thinking to myself -why not just allow me to pre order the system if I don't HAVE to get the games that I pre-order? I have a feeling that come launch day if I tried to use my credit towards just a system they would have tried to get me to buy the whole bundle if I wanted to get out the door with my system. But that is just this retailer, not everyone.
    I told the kid sorry, no thanks. The X-Box does not come bundled with other crap, and if a retailer insists on only selling it as such, then I can go to another retailer to get my Box.
    Needles to say, I won’t be going back there any more. I'll order my system online through EB, or if they will not sell the system by itself -then I will go somewhere else again and again until I can get a system on my own terms.
    I hope that Microsoft does not think that they can pull this kind of stuff because the PS2 had such a successful launch. If the PS2 was only available bundled with games and crap I still think people would have shelled out money for it last X-mass. The X-Box is no PS2. It may be a superior system, but it is no PS2 as far as recognition and 'gotta' have it' factor are concerned. I am sure that there will be plenty of systems just sitting on shelves this November waiting to be bought.
    [Edited last by Sean Oneil on August 19, 2001 at 06:10 AM]
     
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    This isn't a Microsoft thing, its more like supply vs demand. There were people lining up to preorder PS2 so retailers could get away with forcing consumers to pay extra for stuff like extended warranties. Since X-Box is competing with the cheaper Gamecube there is no way that they could get away with these package deals.
     
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    Working at TRU, I can remember last holiday season all the happy customers that bought PS2's from my store simply because they were able to buy the system as is, and anything else that THEY wanted to buy...not some bundle package....man if the only way I was able to get a PS2 was to buy Fantavision..... [​IMG]
    Anyways, this, along with everything else I've been hearing & reading...just tells me all the more to hole off on a X-Box purchase for a little while....
    Can you say - Hello Gamecube!!!
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    I certainly intend to buy an Xbox, but...if this story is true about not being able to simply buy the 'Box and whatever you want with it, I'm going to have to sadly pass on the Xbox at launch time.
    If Microshaft is going to make such a horrible descision as this, I hope they eat crow on launch day. Teach their overbearing asses a good lesson when it comes to the console world.
    This isn't f**king Winblows inoperating system. We don't NEED their console.
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    If Microsoft tries to dictate what games I have to buy just to get their system they can go screw themselves, After all I will probably be too deeply engrossed in Luigi's Mansion, StarFox Adventures, and Rouge Leader 2, to get upset over not having an X-Box just 3 days later [​IMG]
     
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    Take a look at every decision Microsoft has made since last Christmas (besides the PhotoShop thing) and you will see that they are taking every good move by a company since the Genesis and they are making the same decisions at once. The problem is, those are bad decisions, and they don't know what they are doing. Sony is learning, and Nintendo already knows. The two game companies who had the games that nobody could see at E3 (without good access, of course) were Nintendo and Sega, the console gaming veterans. This is because they know what they are doing. MS is just pretending they know what theyre doing.
     
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    As I understand it, the Xbox bundle deal is slightly better than the one offered for PS2, in that you can choose which games you want from three lists of games. One game has to be a first party title, while the other two can be chosen by the buyer. I believe you also choose which accessory you want. I'm not completely against the idea of bundles, but I think bundle deals like this one should come down a wee bit more. I can understand a one game bundle, but bundles that require three games? In any event, I was planning to get my Xbox from Wal-Mart or BestBuy, and I don't think they'll be requiring bundle deals [​IMG]
     
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    deleted post.
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    Reason #299 that I'm choosing GameCube over Xbox.
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    duplicate post
    [Edited last by Gary Cianciosi on August 20, 2001 at 10:17 AM]
     
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    All these are valid points but I think Microsoft is also trying to thwart those with visions of just buying this console and turning it into a cheap and powerful LINUX machine.
     

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