How do you listen to SACD 2-Channel?

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  1. Leo

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    I'm currently fiddling around with settings on my Pioneer Elite DV-45a and was wondering how do you guys listen to your 2-channel SACD's? I have gone from trying 5.1 output, speakers set to Small and subwoofer On, to 5.1 output, speakers large subwoofer off. And the music I listen to is mainly jazz (trio/quartet) and some classic rock but all 2 channel recordings. System in the link in signature.

    So how do you listen to your 2-channel SACD?
     
  2. KeithH

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    Leo, let me ask you this. Which way sounds better to you? I like to avoid extraneous processing, so I would probably go with the speakers set to large and no subwoofer. I assume on the '45A this would correspond to what Sony calls a "direct" mode. Also, does the '45A have stereo analog outputs in addition to the 5.1-channel outputs? If so, you might try the stereo analog outputs in case Pioneer included a better analog output stage there in comparison to the 5.1-channel outputs. Just another option to consider.

    As for me, I have a Sony SCD-C555ES split between a home-theater system and a separate stereo system. So, I run RCA cables from the stereo analog outputs to my stereo system to listen to CDs and stereo SACDs. Then I run RCA cables from the 5.1-channel outputs to my home-theater receiver to listen to multi-channel SACDs.
     
  3. Joe Casey

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    I use the 2-channel output of my player into a straight-wire-with-gain. Well, almost. Like Keith says, try and minimize any processing and see which way sounds better.
     
  4. Doug_B

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    I use the 2 channel analog outs of my Sony 'C555ES for 2 channel SACD listening. I set my pre-amp in analog direct / bypass mode. I do not use bass mgmt in the Sony; instead, I use an ICBM between my pre-amp and amp. I use the 2 ch outs instead of the 5.1 outs because I have better interconnects on the 2 ch outs (and use the same interconnects for these 2 channels thru the entire path), and my 5.1 outs are also switched with my DVD-A 5.1 outs (with RatShack switches).

    Doug
     
  5. Leo

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    Ok so I should experiment using the Left and Right of the 5.1 channel vs. the left and right 2-channel. I would have thought the Left/Right 5.1 which connects to the analog in of my system would be the correct choice for left and right audio without any additional processing.
     
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    My TA-E9000ES has no analog direct option, so I run the two channel output from my S9000ES through a Creek OBH-10 volume control to one of the extra 2-channel inputs on each of my TA-N9000ESs (running in BTL mode) from there the signal goes to my SVS 20-39PC's speaker level inputs, using its crossover for the low end and then to my B&W N805s.

    This sounds so much better than anything I've ever had before, that I have no desire to upgrade my front soundstage. Surround SACD is tempting, but I can wait a while before making the necessary changes and upgrades.
     
  7. Steve_AS

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    IN the 45a I set the fronts speakers to small (becasue they are, NHT Superones) and the sub to ON. Bass of SACDs and DVD_A stereo (and CD stereo tracks too, though I tend to use the digital out for that and let the receiver do BM) is routed to the subwoofer, in this configuration, when listening via the 6-channel analog outputs.
     
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    I have my Sony 333ES in my 2-channel system so I use the analog outputs directly to my preamp. When it was in my HT system I hooked it up to my Marantz SR-18 in the analog CD input and used analog direct mode on my reciever. That sounded best to me.
     
  10. David Berry

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    Well,

    I have mostly sold my home theater system (now have 2 speakers/DVD player, and TV). Two channel listening became more of an obsession than home theater. I now play my 'C555ES (just the stereo output) into a 2-channel tubed preamp and into a stereo SS amp.
     
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    I would think the Pioneer outputs the SACD through the 5.1 analog outputs for both 2 channel SACD and 5.1 SACD. The 2 channel analog outputs are probably for CD only or downmixed.
     
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    I have my Sony CE775 running cables from the 5.1 outputs to a ICBM and then into my Denon 3300 receiver's 5.1 analog input.
    I also have the 2 channel outputs from the Sony running directly into the Denon as ypu would with any cd player.

    I notice their is better bass if I use the 5.1 (6 CH EXT) when listening to 2 channel SACD's than if I use the DIRECT switch on the Denon.

    There in lies the problem, their are 2 ways to listen to a 2 channel SACD. Which is better? Which gives you the more accurate representation of the SACD?
     
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    I use the 5.1 direct inputs for 2 channel SACD and multi- channel SACD as well as all Redbook CD's. I leave it set that way no matter the format. I connect the speaker level inputs for my sub as well as the speaker cables to the front channel amps and set the sub to work only below 40 hz.
    That way there is no chance of the receiver digitizing the outputs from my Sony ce775, the fronts (Sonus Faber Concertino's) play as full range as they provide and whatever comes from the player is fed to the speakers. Had I an ICBM I would probably rethink this. But as it is, the less processing my Arcam receiver does, the purer the signal being sent to the speakers. Nothing wrong w/ the Arcam and I use the processing for movies but for music, less is more. Just my opinion.
     
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    KeithH,

    YGPM about 555es
     
  18. Leo

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    Glad to see so many folks still enjoy 2 channel audio. For my 45a I just use the 5.1 L/R channel for my 2 channel audio with Sub off. I'm using the PSB Image 4T's powered by Marantz MA500. As far as multichannel goes, it's ok for movies for me, but I like my music 2 channel. I play with multi-channel just to show to friends, but my personal pref is 2 speakers, amps and a source.
     
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