About what I thought, your heels are dug in on this issue without even acknowledging the possibility that we might have some credence to our side of the argument.
It is to him!TravisR said:Not everything is a conspiracy.
I believe it's the last of mainstream packaged media. I think 4K will be a niche market.Keith Cobby said:My view is that blu-ray is the last of the packaged media, and this is why I am so anxious to have my favourite films available on disc before streaming hits its stride.
I think blu-ray is suffering from the law of diminishing returns because every time a new format is released fewer people are prepared to upgrade. This does not bode well for 4K as it is hard to see many films being re-remastered for a new format.
I think you're the one giving studios too much credit. They aren't singlehandedly controlling the market. The consumer plays a big part in that. We were the only family I knew with a Betamax. EVERYBODY else we knew bought VHS (and thought we were foolish). Believe me, if the public had bought Beta, it would have won the war. But people chose value over quality. And it also wasn't all about watching films on tape. It was also that some people just didn't want to miss "People's Court" while they were at work. And they didn't care of it was in the "best quality." Far and away most people who bought video cassette recorders were just typical consumers wanting to tape their favorite shows, not videophiles.Nick*Z said:I think we're giving the studios too much credit for progressive thinking.
Only for the first time in the home video marketing model, the format being pushed (streaming) IS NOT an improvement but a definite step backward from all that has been achieved. The pendulum has swung the other way and once you limit the public in what they can watch and how they are able to gain access to it they will settle for what you're offering because there is nothing better to compare it to or with.
Weeding out the Blu-ray connoisseur is the first step to dumbing down consumer expectations so that one day someone will say the same thing they used to about Betamax vs. VHS. Beta was clearly the superior format in that war but it died a quick and painless death in North America not because it wasn't good, but because the studios were happy to stick with a format that they preferred for the sake of copy encryption. It had nothing to do with catering to the overall quality of their product or meeting and exceeding the public's voracious appetite and taste for the best possible home video viewing presentation.
I know people like that too! They just don't talk our language and we don't understand how they think.JohnMor said:At work when I get an Amazon package with blu rays in it, I still get asked, "Oh, you still buy those?" Followed by "You can see those online, you know." I tell them I won't stream because of the reduced quality and they stare at me blankly. I even have friends who swear they can't hear the difference between a track on cd and an MP3 on their iPod. That's the majority of the market, not us audio-videophiles.
Actually, I DO understand how non-enthusiasts think...they haven't trained their eyes and ears to discern the differences in picture and sound quality of higher-end physical media and streaming and would prefer NOT to know because they know that thinking that way would hit them in the pocketbook like us!!!Robin9 said:I know people like that too! They just don't talk our language and we don't understand how they think.
Totally agree, people all over the world are struggling. I'd think those that are doing the best are aged 60 upwards, we had the good years & now have our big tellys & Blu-ray players, & maybe some spare cash to spend & we love those old movies. I know a few intellgent people who are just not that bothered about picture quality, we're a tiny minority. I saw Gunfight At The OK Coral in HD on the telly the other day, & it looked great, but no Blu-ray. I've seen great looking HD's of all the films in the James Stewart Western collection (Universal) & all the films in the Budd Boetticher/Randolph Scott box (Sony), & lots more, but no Blu-ray yet. It might have helped if Blu-ray had come sooner instead of that stupid HD format war. And now they're talkin 4K (ever onwards!), well the Japanese economy will have to strugle on without my help. I am very grateful when a Blu of a title I want is released, it's just something that doesn't happen every week (or every month).lukejosephchung said:The conspiracy theorists in this thread seem to be sticking their heads in the sand like the proverbial ostrich and ignoring a very obvious reality...the world is still recovering from the worst global recession since the 1930s...that, more than anything else, is negatively impacting the economic viability of catalog releases on the blu-ray market and physical media in general...it really IS that simple, gang!!!
More than likely, it's a 'old guy' at those meetings. The same ones that have been pitching a variety of ideas through the years as the concept that "inventory is cash in the wrong form" is as old as the hills. Streaming media is a supply chain-led concept. No product forecast to get wrong. No production, transportation and storage costs. No customs delay or product returns to deal with. No 20 meetings with the marketing clowns only for them to screw up (yet again) on the packaging requirements and schedule.dana martin said:After the last few pages, needed to rant myself
Streaming in theory isn’t a bad idea, I am sure that when the studios have their meetings, some young person in the room has thrown out that idea many times. As being hip, new, on the cutting edge.
But the reality of the situation is this, streaming sucks; it is all dependent on connection speed and buffering, and well to be blunt how many people have a T1 connection so you are actually getting what is expected.
The whole cloud thing is a good idea, except when it crashes, it is all computer based, so sooner or later there is going to be problems.
Moi aussi. The chance that I'm not leaving myself the option of opting out of some pay-for-the-cloud service is zero. Homey don't play that game.dana martin said:I now have almost 3K DVD’s and Blu, a hard copy in my hands every time I want to watch it. If I am going to pay for something it better be in my possession, not some digital file somewhere else. No hard copy, no sale!
not all are 60's, some are just hitting 50 this year, it has perks, the kids are gone and the hobby does have rewards, so many great films to explore.rich_d said:Moi aussi. The chance that I'm not leaving myself the option of opting out of some pay-for-the-cloud service is zero. Homey don't play that game.
Now, back on the subject ... my expectations are quite small for fall 2013. The Connecticut Connection will certainly love to be invited to Reed's house for a magnificent double feature presentation of It's a Mad ... World and Mary Poppins but I'm not sure that a presentation of Mad is in the cards and question marks abound about the magnificence to be delivered on Poppins. However, if dealt lemons, Reed does serve wonderful lemonade.
I would buy an awful lot of these!Dick said:After The JAMES BOND and HITCHCOCK and MONSTERS sets, plus INDIANA JONES and other Spielberg releases, what can studios do to equal or surpass such releases? I am thinking Universal could could do a spectacular SCI-FI BOX set which would include THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING MAN THIS ISLAND EARTH TARANTULA DR. CYCLOPS IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE (3-D) REVEAGE OF THE CREATURE (3-D) THE MONOLITH MONSTERS and perhaps a couple of others, all in their proper aspect ratios. And, as a separate title, let's not forget a domestic release of THE UNINVITED (1944). And, what the hell happened to your intended Blu release of THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN? But there's more.... BALTO, all of your Anthony Mann westerns, ANNE OF THE THOUSAND DAYS, BOWFINGER, COAL MINER'S DAUGHTER, COLOSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT, DESTRY RIDES AGAIN, FAHRENHEIT 451, GHOST STORY, THE HEIRESS, HOLD THAT GHOST, ICEMAN, KING OF THE HILL, MARY QUEEN OF SCOTS, MASK, MATINEE, MIDNIGHT RUN, MONTY PYTHON'S THE MEANING OF LIFE, MUNICH, NIGHTHAWKS, PLAY MISTY FOR ME, SCHINDLER'S LIST, SILENT RUNNING, SLAUGHTERHOUSE FIVE, SPARTACUS (either give this to Criterion or do it right yourselves), SWASHBUCKER, THE THRILL OF IT ALL, THE TIME OF THEIR LIVES, TOUCH OF EVIL, VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED ( Carpenter), WINCHESTER '73. Sony could give us THE MAD MAGICIAN and its two Three Stooges shorts in 3-D. OLIVER! would be great, too. How about personally releasing, or at least licensing to Twilight Time, the remaining Columbia Harryhausen titles: THREE WORLDS OF GULLIVER, THE GOLDEN VOYAGE OF SINBAD, SINBAD AND THE EYE OF THE TIGER, FIRST MEN IN THE MOON? And what on earth is the delay on TOOTSIE, THE CHINA SYNDROME, CITY OF LOST CHILDREN, FROM HERE TO ETERNITY, A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS, OBSESSION, A STUDY IN TERROR, TAMING OF THE SHREW? A huge missing-in-action series on Blu is the Corman/Poe Midnight Movie series. This would seem to be a no-brainer: FALL OF THE HOUSE OF USHER, PIT AND THE PENDULUM, MASQUE OF THE RED DEATH, TOMB OF LIGEIA, THE RAVEN, A COMEDY OF TERRORS, PREMATURE BURIEL... Other Midnight Movies are also desirable for Blu-ray, including BLOOD ON SATAN'S CLAW and BURN, WITCH, BURN. How about both versions of CURSE OF THE DEMON (aka NIGHT OF TE DEMON?) Also, can we speed up the output of Woody Allen films in your holdings? At two per year, we'll all be old or dead before the remaining titles are released. As to the general superior films from the UA catalog that remain unreleased to Blu: DOGS OF WAR, EXODUS, A FUNNY THING HAPPENED TO ME..., THE GREAT ESCAPE, THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY, IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT, JACK THE GIANT KILLER (as a tie-in to the forthcoming remake), JUDGEMENT AT NUREMBERG, JUGGERNAUT, A KISS BEFORE DYING, LA CAGE AUX FOLLES, LENNY, MARTY, THE MIRACLE WORKER, MOBY DICK, OF MICE AND MEN, ONE TWO THREE, ON THE BEACH, RETURN OF A MAN CALLED HORSE, ROB ROY, THIEVES LIKE US, TOM JONES, TOPKAPI, THE TRAIN, WHAT'S NEW PUSSYCAT, WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION, WORLD OF HENRY ORIENT. Paramount could personally give us, or license out (even excluding the region 2 releases already announced or available) The ADDAMS FAMILY films, ATLANIC CITY, BAD NEWS BEARS, CATCH-22, A CIVIL ACTION, THE COURT JESTER, DON'T LOOK NOW, DRAGONSLAYER, THE FRIENDS OF EDDIE COYLE, HATARI, HONDO (3-D), HUD, THE LAST TRAIN ON GUN HILL, MARATHON MAN, THE NAKED JUNGLE, THE NAKED PREY, NASHVILLE, NEVADA SMITH, NORTH DALLAS FORTY, NO WAY TO TREAT A LADY, THE NUN'S STORY, NASVILLE, ORDINARY PEOPLE, PAPA'S DELICATE CONDITION, PAPER MOON, PARALLAX VIEW, A PLACE IN THE SUN, PLAY IT AGAIN SAM, PRETTY BABY, RAGTIME, REDS, ROMAN HOLIDAY, ROMEO AND JULIET (1968), SEARCHING FOR BOBBY FISHER, SECONDS, SHANE, A SIMPLE PLAN, SPY WHO CAME IN FROM THE COLD, STALAG 17, TERMS OF ENDEARMENT, TESTAMENT, WAR OF THE WORLDS, WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE, Jerry Lewis titles....etc. Damn, Paramount, you people are in serious arrears here! Criterion could give us... well, just keep up the good work, folks! But a few suggestions: Upgrades for THE VIRGIN SPRING, FIEND WITHOUT A FACE (Hey, if you're bothering with THE BLOB...), BICYCLE THIEVES, FORBIDDEN GAMES, SPIRIT OF THE BEEHVIVE, THE 49TH PARALLEL, ACE IN THE HOLE, BIG DEAL ON MADONNA STREET, CARNIVAL OF SOULS, THE DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER, all remaining Bunuel and Kurosawa titles, EYES WITHOUT A FACE, FIRES ON THE PLAIN...... well, it seems you are on the slow but sure path toward upgrading your DVD's, so... Here are some suggestions for titles you haven't touched yet: A Karel Zeman set; JOURNEY OF HOPE, THE OFFICIAL STORY, ALLEGRO NON TROPPO, BEAU PERE, BURNT BY THE SUN, EUROPA EUROPA, GARDEN OF THE FINZI-CONTINIS, GET OUT YOUR HANDERCHIEFS, HOUR OF THE WOLF, JEAN DE FLORETTE/MANON DE SOURCE, JU DOU, KING OF MASKS, MAD ADVENTURES OF RABBI JACOB, MEPHISTO, NIGHT OF THE SHOOTING STARS, NOWHERE IN AFRICA, PIXOTE, PONETTE, SALAAM BOMABY!, SEVEN BEAUTIES, SILENT STAR (aka FIRST SPACESHIP ON VENUS), STALINGRAD, ILYA MUROMETS (aka SWORD AND THE DRAGON), TREE OF THE WOODEN CLOGS, WAR AND PEACE (Russian) and all of the Francois Truffaut titles held hostage by MGM/SONY. And, Disney... Where to begin? Catalog titles are finally starting to emerge on Blu-ray, but there are tons of worthy titles yet to be announced (and I'm not even including the animated stuff, which I assume will come our way fairly soon): 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA, THE BLACK HOLE, COUNTRY, DARBY O'GILL AND THE LITTLE PEOPLE, FIGHTING PRINCE OF DONEGAL, THE GNOME MOBILE, GREAT LOCOMOTIVE CHASE, HONEY, I... ( 2 titles), INCREDIBLE JOURNEY, IN SEARCH OF THE CASTAWAYS, JOURNEY OF NATTY GANN, LITTLEST HORSE THIEVES, NEVER CRY WOLF, OLD YELLER, PARENT TRAP, RETURN TO OZ, SHIPWRECKED, SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COME, SWISS FAMILY ROBINSON, TEX, THAT DARN CAT, THOSE CALLOWAYS, TREASURE ISLAND, WHITE FANG...etc. Also, subsidiary label titles such as QUIZ SHOW would be welcome. Don't get me started on the HAMMER films, which are being spit out regularly in the UK, but the majors here in the States are so far avoiding them...Hello, Warner Bros, Sony. Warner Bros. has so many holdings now that the want list would be just about endless. THE HAUNTING, BEAST WITH FIVE FINGERS (both would be great for Halloween '13), THE BAND WAGON, THE CAMERAMAN (Buster Keaton), BIG HAND FOR A LITTLE LADY, CHEYENNE AUTUMN, FINIAN'S RAINBOW, THE GREAT RACE, HOOPER, INNOCENT BLOOD, THE KILLING FIELDS, LADYHAWKE, MAD MAX 3: BEYOND THUNDERDOME, McCABE AND MRS. MILLER, MOSQUITO COAST, MYSTERY OF THE WAX MUSEUM (color-corrected), THE PLEDGE, RIDE THE HIGH COUNTRY, THE SECRET GARDEN (1993), SEVEN DAYS IN MAY, THEM!, TIGHTROPE, FEARLESS VAMPIRE KILLERS, KISS ME KATE (3-D), OPERATION CROSSBOW, PENNIES FROM HEAVEN, QUEEN CHRISTINA, RYAN'S DAUGHTER, SCARAMOUCHE, 7 FACES OF DR. LAO, TO HAVE AND HAVE NOT, VALLEY OF GWANGI, WAIT UNTIL DARK, WATERSHIP DOWN, WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH, THE WITCHES (Roeg), TIME MACHINE (1960), VICTOR/VICTORIA, and upgrades to Blu from your Archive series would be great for DARK OF THE SUN and SINBAD THE SAILOR. Just a partial list, of course, and (assuming these studios read HTF posts) one that reflects my personal tastes. Your wish lists?