HD DVD leads Blu-ray in Europe (1 Viewer)

[Todd H]

Non-existent? Looks like quite a large number of games work.

http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/bcGames.htm

 

[MarekM]

Cees,

software emulation for 1000 european PS2 games !!

Marek

 

[MarekM]

Thomas, remember that 1milion is for PAL TERITORY,
europe, australia, etc...

so far at least here in slovakia, we are getting even more units, so SONY is working hard to meet demand, because preorders are about double of units avaible........

Marek

P.S. mine arrived yesterday so I can watch CASINO ROYALE friday

 

[Cees Alons]

Yes, I figured that would be the case.
This "non-existent" is more what you can find on gamers forums. I think it is a gross exaggeration in the first place, and to me personal (if I decide to buy it, it would be as a BD player) not relevant either.


Cees

 

[ppltd]

Carlos, facts are I don't have a position. And I am not quite sure why you would rather make this a personal attack rather than actually discussing the issue.

I have responded to some posts (not many recently on this item) and posted links in the appropriate threads to update status, but that is about all. No more or less than others, including yourself. Do I think Sony can meet their projections? Based on past performance, I doubt it. If you want to view Sony with rose colored glasses, be my guest. But since (and I quote you) 'you spend most of the time in the other thread(s)' glossing over Sony's problems, well you know th rest.

Now as to your comment, overflow of PS3's in the US has nothing to do with units sent to Europe, as you well know. Two different animals, two different hardware pieces.

As far as needing data to support my position, I don't have any 'position', just an opinion. But I can read the reports. Anything on the subject of availability I base on reports, most recently NPD numbers. If you don't believe their numbers, fine. I can not help it if you do not accept their numbers. I suggest if you have others, by all means, post the link as I do.

Additionally, I have never made any bones of the fact that for the most part, I am not a Sony lover, even though I own a Sony laptop.

 

[ppltd]

The removal of the chip and support chips that handled PS2 compatibility. This will in turn, most likely require some modification to the OS and/or BIOS. Not a minor change, but done for cost savings measures. The box sold in the US is not the box sold in Europe.

This is the reason there is concern over what PS2 games will be supported out of the box, as they will now have to be be software emulated.

 

[Carlo_M]

Thomas, it wasn't meant as a personal attack but rather as an observation to your various assertions. Judging by how seriously you reacted to my post, I don't know now if I believe you don't have a position. It's like people saying they don't have biases. They do. They just don't know or recognize it. How does the saying go? "Methinks thou doth protest too much"

Frankly, I think it is possible they may be short in Europe. I don't have an issue with that. In fact, should Sony's PS3 fail spectacularly, I'm not worried. I have over 2 dozen BDs and growing, and I think I've gotten my money's worth regardless of the future of the format. By the time BD fails (if it does) HD-DVD will be priced near DVD levels and I won't be bitter in the least if I have to switch formats. I'm not rich, but I have enough disposable income to do that without incurring financial hardship [shouldn't be in this hobby if it did].

I just found it humorous (hence the wink) that when it comes to a thread about PS3s gathering dust, you have stated that they are overproducing, and when it comes to HD-DVD having a commanding lead in Europe, but beware of the PS3 having an impact, you say there's no way they'll meet their targets.

I'm sorry if you don't find at least a little bit of humor or irony in that.

I'm actually smiling as I type this, I'm not upset, if you think I'm trying to start a flame war, I'm not. It was just an observation on the perception of how Sony can be overstocking one moment, understocking the next.

 

[Dah-Dee]

Hey, no worries -- here's something you can use instead on that pesky laptop:

http://130.15.161.74/techserv/voyage...ics/dpound.jpg


In addition... uh-oh! Looks like more measurement confusion.... perhaps "dropping like a rock" would be a good choice:

"stone (st)
a traditional British unit of weight, rarely used in the U.S. Originally the stone varied in size, both from place to place and according to the nature of the item being weighed. A stone of sugar was traditionally 8 pounds, while a stone of wool could be as much as 24 pounds. Eventually the stone was standardized at 14 pounds avoirdupois or approximately 6.350 29 kilograms -- a convenient size because it makes the stone equal to exactly 1/2 quarter or 1/8 hundredweight. Today the stone is used mostly for stating the weight of persons or animals. No -s is added for the plural."

.... Don't want to rile up our good friends 'across the pond.'

 

[ppltd]

I have no problem with keeping a discussion going. What I find offensive is when it becomes personal. If it was not intended, then I read too much into it.

 

[MarekM]

Well Thomas

what about 520.000 PS3s sold on first day

Marek

 

[MarekM]

Interesting, lookslike it started in Europe too, blu is coming

 

[Ryan-G]

I find that quite interesting considering how many times you'll drop to derision and personal attacks in the face of arguements against your positions, instead of dealing with the subjects at hand.

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On topic.

I find it very interesting that HD-DVD has such a commanding lead in Europe. I'd have thought there'd be a much stronger BR leaning, especially with all of the negative attention MS's has been getting in Europe lately.

I'll be very interested to see the outcome of the Euro launch on the format war. Does Europe and Australia have high instal bases of HDTV's? Are they more accepting of game machines as Players? I'm not at all in touch with the Euro/Aussie side, and I find Sony's recent activities in Europe interesting. They're really going to great lengths to sell the PS3 there on launch day and I'm trying to understand why. Is that there's a greater X-box tendency there? Is it because of the format war and trying to nudge Europe to BR? Or is it trying to buy favor because they left Europe/Australia high and dry with the initial launch of PS3?

I'm very interested in what occcurs in the next few weeks. I think it'll have some major ramifications for the format war, and even bigger ramifications for the console war.

 

[ppltd]

Ryan, I am not quite sure how to respond this. Point out one post where I personally attacked anyone in this forum, unless attacked first. I don't, and I almost always back up my positions with fact by link to a referenced article. When not available, I tend to state it is opinion.

 

[MarekM]

 

[Edwin-S]

Interesting. I'm not sure how the removal of the chips equates to a real cost saving. By that, I mean the cost of chips per machine for PS2 emulation couldn't amount to more than a few cents considering the level of production.

Of course, what the hell do I know about how SONY makes decisions. I'm still trying to figure out how a company that was touting the PS3 as a done-in-one solution for HT and games would fail to provide analog outs, DVD upscaling and, amazingly, no upscaling of 720p game content. All of which, to me, are important for a done-in-one solution.

I don't know how important PS2 emulation is to potential European purchasers, but I cannot see a huge reduction in sales price due to the deletion of a few cents worth of chips. The question I have now is whether later iterations of North American machines will also see deletion of hardware for PS2 emulation?

 

[Dave Mack]

How about nobody attack anybody here? Let's not let HTF become what AVS has devolved into with it's insane level of nastiness.

We're all in this together, ladies and gents (well, gents mostly) no matter which format we have.

d

 

[MarekM]

Thomas, here is updated info...


Record-breaking 165,000 PS3s sold at UK launch
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/26261/Reco...d-at-UK-launch

 

[Austan]

Now all we have to do is wait for about 2 months for softwares movies sales figures to come in...