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That's just it. So far there's been nothing conclusive that what we're seeing Hannibal prepare and eat is human. It's just been the writing and editing leading us to make those assumptions.
Also, Dr. Alan Bloom became Dr. Alana Bloom so that Bryan Fuller could cast his "Wonderfalls" vet Caroline Dhavernas in the role.Cameron Yee said:Huh. Freddie Lounds has been womanized....
Me too. It's always driven me nuts that on procedurals the detectives have horrific encounters week after week and then are emotional reset for the next episode. The fact that there's bleed (if you pardon the pun) and overlap from case to case is one of the more compelling aspects of the show.Another solid episode as Hannibal works his way into Graham's psyche. I'm also glad that the Jacob Hobbs case is not shut per se and more is being revealed about his motives through his daughter.
I suppose it depends on the show's intent; does it just plan on using Thomas Harris's characters to tell its own story, or does it see itself as a prequel to Harris's story? If the former ist true, I'd say that Lounds is going to be toast sooner rather than later. If the latter is true, than we might see Red Dragon play out over season three or four, and they'll want to keep all of the players alive until it does.It'd actually be interesting if the show follows Graham through the culmination of that story and then does a semi-reboot for season four or five with a new actress cast as Clarice opposite Mikkelsen.Quentin said:I'll refrain from a spoiler here, but if you've read "Red Dragon" you will know what happens to Lounds. Of course, that was a male Lounds so I suppose all bets are off and the show can change anything it wants. I like this woman Lounds. We'll have to see how she plays out.
It's an interesting experiment, because NBC and Gaumont are basically approaching it like a cable series: 13 episode seasons, a big Hollywood name in David Slade as the producing director and a 10PM timeslot so that the show isn't subject to FCC decency rules.This show has really impressed me over these 2 episodes. I wasn't expecting squat, so perhaps it is lowered expectations. But, I'm in for the remainder of these 13 for sure.
I really enjoy the way they're playing this. Really it's the show playing on the audience's preconceived notions about the material that has us making those leaps, and editing just gives us a little bit a prod. I kind of wish they hadn't shown Lecter preparing the lungs in the first episode directly after the coroner talked about how the lungs had been removed from the victim of the copycat killer, because I don't think the audience needed that prod.Cameron Yee said:That's just it. So far there's been nothing conclusive that what we're seeing Hannibal prepare and eat is human. It's just been the writing and editing leading us to make those assumptions.
I'm really impressed by how well-defined the main characters are after three episodes. Particularly Jack Crawford. We're used to the great leader on procedurals whose moral compass sets true north and leads by example. Laurence Fishburne's Jack Crawford isn't that guy at all. He sets an objective, and he's a master at manipulating his subordinates to achieve the desired outcome. And he makes no apologies for it. Dr. Bloom is nice and decent and well-adjusted, but she's not naive. Freddie Lounds is like Loki, stirring up the pot to have something to write about. And Dr. Hannibal Lecter is Satan, mixing truth with lies to convince you to trade away your soul. That he offers a choice, as he did to Abigail after manipulating her perception of the situation so it no longer really seemed like a choice, is so much worse than forcing.Brett_M said:It's creepy and stylish and I love the main actors. Utterly cool.
When I was a journalism student, it always amazed me the places you can get into if you frame things the right way and proceed with absolutely no shame. Lounds probably found the name of another patient with no visitor restrictions, and gained access to the halls by presenting herself as that patient's guest. Once inside, it's a small matter to venture into another room. The doors in a psychiatric facility lock the opposite way, so that you're locked in instead of locked out. And it should be noted that this hospital wasn't exactly Arkham Asylum; there was a very low level of security present.Walter Kittel said:How did Lounds get in to see Abigail Hobbs at the hospital?
These were the things that bothered me. Particularly with regard to the body. Dr. Bloom wouldn't have been unconscious for more than a couple of minutes. Not a lot of time to move a body, especially if you need to keep the blood from getting on you as Hannibal did.How did Lounds get behind the police tape?How did they dispose of the body of the brother?
I find her incredibly annoying. Read Red Dragon probably 13-14 years ago, so don't remember to much if that's what a lot of this is based on. Still have the book, but haven't glanced at it in years. Since this is all apparently fresh to me, I'll leave the book alone a while longer.Quentin said:Yeah, I'm getting annoyed at the almighty powers of Lounds to show up any time, anywhere.
Showrunner was uncomfortable with some of the particular violence in the episode in light of what happened in Boston last Monday, and asked NBC to pull the episode. Apparently it was a pretty stand-alone procedural episode so we really won't be missing much of the ongoing plot. I agree that it's frustrating.Joe_H said:Unfortunately, they're not going to be airing episode 4 of this, though. They'll just skip it and assume that we can catch up. Because that's great, just alienate a slowly growing audience of what is a surprisingly good show by jumping forward and confusing everyone.
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/nbc-to-skip-hannibal-episode-in-wake-of-boston-tragedy
I hope it's aired in other countries so that it can be found elsewhere, because I'm not going to watch episode 5 unless I can watch episode 4.
I know that's the reason they're giving (and maybe not even your actual position on it), but in my mind, it's just not a good reason. The show is just as violent no matter what episode they air, so if they really wanted to take it off the air because of the bombing and making people uncomfortable, then don't air the show for a week or two. Secondly, with a show like this, you know what you're getting into. People who don't want to see violence right now aren't going to accidentally tune in to Hannibal. And then also, while they didn't know this when they made the decision, by the time the episode airs, the ordeal will have been over for nearly a week. Lastly, even in more procedural episodes, a show like this builds on the relationship and manipulations between Graham and Lector, and so to skip an episode is to skip a portion of that.Adam Lenhardt said:Showrunner was uncomfortable with some of the particular violence in the episode in light of what happened in Boston last Monday, and asked NBC to pull the episode. Apparently it was a pretty stand-alone procedural episode so we really won't be missing much of the ongoing plot. I agree that it's frustrating.
Instead, we got episodes 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6, with 4 skipped. And it was clear in watching the fifth episode (and the "Previously, on 'Hannibal'" clips before it) that some notable character and plot arc things had happened in between the hours I'd seen. It's not enough that you'll feel lost in what happens — particularly since the fifth episode is one of the strongest NBC sent — but you'll definitely feel like you're missing out on a few notable beats, particularly in the relationship between Will Graham and Jack Crawford.
What's odd is that TNT showed a "Castle" repeat last week that was very much like the Boston issue. A bombing in a public place against Wall Street protestors. The similarities were eerie, backpack, etc., although not nearly as graphic as "Hannibal" probably would have been. Yet they didn't pull it.Adam Lenhardt said:Showrunner was uncomfortable with some of the particular violence in the episode in light of what happened in Boston last Monday, and asked NBC to pull the episode. Apparently it was a pretty stand-alone procedural episode so we really won't be missing much of the ongoing plot. I agree that it's frustrating.
Good news: NBC has reedited the fourth episode into a multi-part web series that will bridge the gap between episodes three and five.Joe_H said:At the very least, they should host the episode on their website in entirety for those who want to see it. Like I said, if I can't watch it through SOME method, they're going to lose me as a viewer.
It aired automatically as part of TNT's syndication package of the show. TNT released a press release apologizing for airing it.Stan said:What's odd is that TNT showed a "Castle" repeat last week that was very much like the Boston issue. A bombing in a public place against Wall Street protestors. The similarities were eerie, backpack, etc., although not nearly as graphic as "Hannibal" probably would have been. Yet they didn't pull it.