Frozen 3D Bungle?!

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  1. Ronald Epstein

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    Jason,

    I think you and I agree that the studios wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot by trying to hurt their 3D sales.

    I have a different take on THE LITTLE MERMAID 3D getting pulled theatrically...

    First, it is my understanding that theatrical sales declined with each Disney 3D converted classic theatrical release.

    Second, I don't think MERMAID was a good candidate for 3D conversion. I believe it was the last of the hand-drawn animated titles and it just didn't look that great in 3D. That's my opinion. Perhaps the studio felt this way as well and decided not to push it theatrically.
     
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    Agreed, Ron. They want 3D to take off like there's no tomorrow. That's why I don't totally understand this move. They're limiting who will be able to buy the 3D version instead of making it as wide as possible. If the movie bombed and Disney needed someone to step up and supply money to offset some cost, I could understand that. But I don't think that's happening. I'll be curious to see how the 3D exclusive release stacks up to previous 3D editions.

    As for Little Mermaid, that could very well be true, though I also wonder if three conversions being released in the same calendar year has anything to do with it. Beauty and the Beast, Finding Nemo and Monster's Inc. all received theatrical release in 2012. That's in addition to the regular Disney releases plus anything else in 3D that hit the screen. I wouldn't expect the audience to turn out for every 3D movie based on that alone.
     
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    Of course they don't want to kill 3D. That's why they released the "killer app" Avatar as a manufacturer exclusive. That's why they release 3D titles at $40 and more. That's why the "In your face" mode is seldom used. They may not want to kill 3D, but they sure seem to be trying. :(
     
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    There's something in another thread I read this morning. I don't know if it's true or not...but, apparently, for every Disney title WalMart leaks ahead of the actual announcement, they get a 30 day suspension from selling that title. According to the post, they should be able to sell the 3D exclusive of Frozen 30 days from the reported 3.18.14 release date.

    Again, no clue if this is accurate or what this means for the exclusive. Just another weird piece of info.
     
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    Disney 3D releases are becoming a conundrum of events. :wacko: With the Frozen 3D exclusive in the works I wonder if the-powers-that-be will spend money on embellishing a lenticular slip-cover design for increasing the consumer keepsake value or decide to again go The Little Mermaid route with a slimmed-down-budget design? :angry:
     
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    Another consideration: Disney is rather fiendishly protective of copyright and likes to muddy the waters as to when copyright expires on its product (as we frequently see a notice on the backs of DVD/BD releases indicating "2012 Home Video Release" or similar nonsense). By using a title other than the one on which the film is based, they can create a quasi-trademark that distinguishes their release as being exclusively Disney. Yet another theory: it distinguishes their films from the frequent DTV knockoffs we see on store shelves.
     
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    ...will the extras still be the same, minus the digital music download?

    Also, Frozen was one of those movies I was ready to hate with a bloody vengeance. Everything I saw in terms of marketing and behind the scenes interviews all pointed to deliberate downplaying of the female characters, sexist views of animating women, and having the story seem to focus on that annoying Snowman. Now after seeing it, it's one of my favorite films of the whole year. I don't know who's in charge of Disney's marketing, but they are the epidemy of making a fantastic movie look terrible.

    As for Walmart? Well, shoot.
     
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    Disney's marketing obviously worked for them, as the movie is a huge success. This kind of thing will no doubt continue.

    And although it wasn't their intention, I did sort of enjoy not knowing what I was about to see in the movie for once -- not having had a series of previews disclose the entire plot, like every other movie does.
     
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    Seems to me they're trying something else with their 3d releases after the "Great and Poweful Oz" debacle (no 2d version and no extras in the 3d set). The term "customer-centric" doesn't really seem to be in Disney's vocabulary.
     
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    Disney has always tried to extract every last $ they could from the customer. They take advantage of kids who desperately want the product, who will then nag their parents to get it, and the kids don't care about the price. Parents may still see value in the exorbitant purchase since the kids will watch the disc 10 times in the first 2 days. Heckuva baby sitter.
     
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    Now it's disappeared from Wal-Mart, but listed at Best Buy with no cover picture and no details.

    What's going on with this release? This was a popular movie, and having a limited or no 3D release sets a very dangerous precedent, especially since Disney was pushing 3D pretty hard for a while. With the bad press 3D has gotten this week (like the reduced promotion of it at CES and Vizio TVs dropping 3D altogether) and now this, I'm deeply concerned that the industry may be trying to kill it.
     
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    It wouldn't be the first time. And here is a current 3D movie I actually want to own in 3D even though I don't have any way of viewing it that way. But that doesn't mean I won't ever get a 3D projector or TV.

    I recently saw a YouTube video by Leonard Maltin where he talked about Disney trying to gradually get out of the physical media business. Someone asked him where the rest of Spin and Marty is on DVD, and he told them the unpleasant truth. The days of fully loaded special editions and mea culpa recuts seem to be over already.
     
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    This hobby stopped being as fun as it was so many years ago when
    many of us first met on this forum (and even before that).

    It's apparent that the studios (and I am not picking on any one in
    particular) don't have the heart in their catalog anymore. Though,
    I will admit, Warner and Disney are probably better than the rest.

    As for Disney, I am a bit disappointed they went with this direct
    sell route on their 3D product. I hardly get in my car and drive
    to any store except if I am buying groceries. I enjoy the luxury
    of ordering from Amazon where I have been a PRIME member.
    I have no urge to order from Walmart.

    I would love to own this title as well. Perhaps I'll have a screener
    to review. Otherwise, I will be waiting just like the rest of you.
     
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    This is exactly why I stopped chasing exclusives and all that other junk a long time ago. Life is too short and the studios just don't care (or so it seems).

    Ya know the worst thing about all this? Disney can't be bothered to say a word about a 3D release. Nothing. The least they can do is provide us with information. The same thing with Paramount and last year's Star Trek Into Darkness. Not a peep and every bit of information that got out was like a top secret CIA mission.

    When you tell people (consumers, clients, colleagues, etc.) what's going on, it goes a long way to helping your PR. You say nothing and people will create their own stories...and it builds animosity toward your product.

    Somehow, I expected more from Disney.
     
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    Ron, you may want to consider ordering the UK Region-free pressing of this title from Amazon's UK site, which I did...you'll be getting the same 3D transfer from a Disney-authorized source and the US-converted price for the 2-disc blu-ray is $30...
     
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    Ron, maybe you should change the subject title of this thread to Frozen (3D BD Bungle)?
     
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    Apparently the 3D version has now been removed from Best Buy's website as well. Disney's Home Entertainment customer service indicated the 3D version has been delayed until Fall 2014 although they could not provide me anymore details beyond that.
     
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