Directors Even More Directors Series - Volume Eleven - Peter Greenaway

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  1. SteveGon

    SteveGon Executive Producer

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    Definitely one of the most distinctive (and controversial) directors working today...


    Visions of Europe (2004) (segment "European Showerbath")
    ... aka Europäische Visionen (Germany)
    The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 2: Vaux to the Sea (2004)
    The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 3: From Sark to the Finish (2003)
    The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 1: The Moab Story (2003)
    ... aka Maletas de Tulse Luper: La historia de Moab, Las (Spain)
    ... aka Valigie di Tulse Luper - La storia di Moab, Le (Italy)
    Cinema16: British Short Films (2003) (V)
    The Man in the Bath (2001)
    The Death of a Composer: Rosa, a Horse Drama (1999)
    ... aka Death of a Composer (USA: short title)
    8 ½ Women (1999)
    ... aka Eight and a Half Women (USA)
    The Bridge (1997)
    The Pillow Book (1996)
    Lumière et compagnie (1996)
    ... aka Lumière and Company (International: English title)
    ... aka Lumiere y compañía (Spain)
    Stairs 1 Geneva (1995)
    Darwin (1993) (TV)
    The Baby of Mâcon (1993)
    ... aka Wunder von Macon, Das (Germany)
    Rosa (1992)
    M Is for Man, Music, Mozart (1991) (TV)
    ... aka Not Mozart (Europe: English title)
    Prospero's Books (1991)
    ... aka Ultima tempesta, L' (Italy)
    A Walk Through Prospero's Library (1991) (TV)
    The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover (1989)
    ... aka Cuisinier, le voleur, sa femme et son amant, Le (France)
    ... aka Spica
    ... aka The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover
    Hubert Bals Handshake (1989)
    "A TV Dante" (1989) (mini) TV Series (Cantos I-VIII)
    ... aka A TV Dante: The Inferno - Cantos I-VIII (UK: video box title)
    ... aka Dante: The Inferno (UK: video title)
    Drowning by Numbers (1988)
    Death in the Seine (1988) (TV)
    ... aka Morts de la Seine, Les (France)
    Fear of Drowning (1988)
    The Belly of an Architect (1987)
    ... aka Ventre dell'architetto, Il (Italy)
    Inside Rooms: 26 Bathrooms, London & Oxfordshire, 1985 (1985)
    ... aka 26 Bathrooms (UK: short title)
    A Zed & Two Noughts (1985)
    ... aka A Zoo: A Zed & Two Noughts
    Making a Splash (1984)
    The Coastline (1983)
    ... aka The Sea in Their Blood
    Four American Composers (1983)
    The Draughtsman's Contract (1982)
    Terence Conran (1981)
    ... aka Insight: Terence Conran (UK)
    Act of God (1980) (TV)
    Country Diary (1980)
    The Falls (1980)
    Lacock Village (1980)
    Leeds Castle (1979)
    Women Artists (1979)
    Zandra Rhodes (1979)
    1-100 (1978)
    Cut Above the Rest (1978)
    Eddie Kid (1978)
    Vertical Features Remake (1978)
    A Walk Through H: The Reincarnation of an Ornithologist (1978)
    Dear Phone (1977)
    Goole by Numbers (1976)
    Water (1975)
    Water Wrackets (1975)
    Windows (1975)
    H Is for House (1973)
    Erosion (1971)
    Intervals (1969)
    5 Postcards From Capital Cities (1967)
    Revolution (1967)
    Train (1966)
    Tree (1966)
    Death of Sentiment (1962)



    Rank 'em, rate 'em, or just say you've never heard of him.
     
  2. SteveGon

    SteveGon Executive Producer

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    Films seen:

    The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Drowning By Numbers [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    The Belly of An Architect [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] (need to rewatch it)
    Lumiere and Company N/A (remember it only vaguely)

    Seen parts of Prospero's Books and A Zed & Two Noughts, interested in seeing more.
     
  3. george kaplan

    george kaplan Executive Producer

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    NHONS

    I'm introducing a new acronym to save time. I'm sure it's obvious, but it stands for Never heard of, never seen. [​IMG]
     
  4. SteveGon

    SteveGon Executive Producer

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    George, I think it's best if you stay far, far away from Greenaway's films. Trust me. [​IMG]
     
  5. Steve Christou

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    Yup especially the Cook the Thief His Wife Her Lover Her Mother The Milkman The Butcher The Baker & The Candlestick Maker.

    Prospero's Books (1991) [​IMG] [​IMG]
    The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover (1989)
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  6. Brook K

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    *1. The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover - B+
    2. A Zed & Two Noughts - B+


    3. The Draughtsman's Contract - B
    4. The Baby of Mâcon - B-


    Own: 2

    Also we own The Pillow Book thanks to my wife's Ewan McGregor obsession, but I've never watched it.
     
  7. JohnRice

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    Geez! He's made a lot of movies.

    Out of [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]


    The Baby of Mâcon (1993) [​IMG][​IMG] - I'm probably being generous. Of course, I've only watched it once and on a disc of questionable origin, which was improperly tagged as widescreen, when it is actually anamorphic. Since I don't have an HDTV, I got to watch 2 hours of 9 foot tall people. I have since discovered how to fix that little glitch, so I can give it another spin, if I ever feel like it.

    Prospero's Books (1991) N/A - Saw it too long ago and it caught me more than a bit by surprise. I recall it being similar to Baby of Macon in that it blurred the line between drama and drama within the drama.

    The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover (1989) [​IMG][​IMG]1/2 - Been a long time, but nobody could ever forget that final scene.


    I disagree, I think George should seek out several Greenaway titles.
     
  8. Bill McA

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    Ratings from [​IMG] to [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]


    Rembrandt's J'accuse (2008) (Own the DVD, haven't watched it yet)
    Peopling the Palaces at Venaria Reale (2007)
    Nightwatching (2007) [​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    A Life in Suitcases (2005)
    Visions of Europe (2004) (segment "European Showerbath")
    The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 2: Vaux to the Sea (2004)
    The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 3: From Sark to the Finish (2003)
    The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 1: The Moab Story (2003) [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    The Man in the Bath (2001)
    The Death of a Composer: Rosa, a Horse Drama (1999)
    8 ½ Women (1999) [​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    The Bridge (1997)
    The Pillow Book (1996) [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] (Own the Blu)
    Lumière and Company (1996) [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    Stairs 1 Geneva (1995)
    Darwin (1993) (TV)
    The Baby of Mâcon (1993) [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] (Own the Blu)
    Rosa (1992)
    Not Mozart (1991) (TV)
    Prospero's Books (1991) [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] (Own the VHS)
    A Walk Through Prospero's Library (1991) (TV)
    The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover (1989) [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    Hubert Bals Handshake (1989)
    A TV Dante (1989) (mini) [​IMG][​IMG]
    Drowning by Numbers (1988) [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] (Used to own the LD)
    Death in the Seine (1988) (TV)
    Fear of Drowning (1988)
    The Belly of an Architect (1987) [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] (Own the Blu)
    Inside Rooms: 26 Bathrooms, London & Oxfordshire, 1985 (1985)
    A Zed & Two Noughts (1985) [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] (Own the Blu)
    Making a Splash (1984)
    The Coastline (1983)
    Four American Composers (1983)
    The Draughtsman's Contract (1982) [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    Terence Conran (1981)
    Act of God (1980) (TV)
    Country Diary (1980)
    The Falls (1980) (Own the DVD, haven't watched it yet)
    Lacock Village (1980)
    Leeds Castle (1979)
    Women Artists (1979)
    Zandra Rhodes (1979)
    1-100 (1978)
    Cut Above the Rest (1978)
    Eddie Kid (1978)
    Vertical Features Remake (1978) [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    A Walk Through H: The Reincarnation of an Ornithologist (1978) [​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    Dear Phone (1977) [​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    Goole by Numbers (1976)
    Water (1975)
    Water Wrackets (1975) [​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    Windows (1975) [​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    H Is for House (1973) [​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    Erosion (1971)
    Intervals (1969) [​IMG][​IMG] (Own the DVD)
    5 Postcards From Capital Cities (1967)
    Revolution (1967)
    Train (1966)
    Tree (1966)
    Death of Sentiment (1962)

    Seen 20
    Own 20

    Peter Greenaway is the 73rd director in this series that I've seen/met in person


    Yes, The Cook and Prospero's Books are definite MUST SEES for George!! [​IMG]
     
  9. Jim_K

    Jim_K Executive Producer

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    Ratings out of [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]


    PETER GREENAWAY (1942 - )

    Visions of Europe (2004) (segment "European Showerbath")
    The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 2: Vaux to the Sea (2004)
    The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 3: From Sark to the Finish (2003)
    The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 1: The Moab Story (2003)
    The Man in the Bath (2001)
    The Death of a Composer: Rosa, a Horse Drama (1999)
    8 ½ Women (1999)
    The Bridge (1997)
    The Pillow Book (1996)
    Lumière et compagnie (1996)
    Stairs 1 Geneva (1995)
    Darwin (1993)
    The Baby of Mâcon (1993)
    Rosa (1992)
    M Is for Man, Music, Mozart (1991)
    Prospero's Books (1991)
    A Walk Through Prospero's Library (1991)
    The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover (1989) [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Hubert Bals Handshake (1989)
    Drowning by Numbers (1988)
    Death in the Seine (1988)
    Fear of Drowning (1988)
    The Belly of an Architect (1987)
    Inside Rooms: 26 Bathrooms, London & Oxfordshire, 1985 (1985)
    A Zed & Two Noughts (1985)
    Making a Splash (1984)
    The Coastline (1983)
    Four American Composers (1983)
    The Draughtsman's Contract (1982)
    Terence Conran (1981)
    Act of God (1980)
    Country Diary (1980)
    The Falls (1980)
    Lacock Village (1980)
    Leeds Castle (1979)
    Women Artists (1979)
    Zandra Rhodes (1979)
    1-100 (1978)
    Cut Above the Rest (1978)
    Eddie Kid (1978)
    Vertical Features Remake (1978)
    A Walk Through H: The Reincarnation of an Ornithologist (1978)
    Dear Phone (1977)
    Goole by Numbers (1976)
    Water (1975)
    Water Wrackets (1975)
    Windows (1975)
    H Is for House (1973)
    Erosion (1971)
    Intervals (1969)
    5 Postcards From Capital Cities (1967)
    Revolution (1967)
    Train (1966)
    Tree (1966)
    Death of Sentiment (1962)
     
  10. Elizabeth S

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    Never got that far -- one of the few films I've walked out on. I did give it a fair chance until about 20 minutes before the end when there was a mass exodus. I spent the time waiting for my date speaking with the theatre worker in the lobby who complained about having to clean up vomit after showings. The first 100 minutes of the film were unpleasant, disgusting and misogynistic. When Ebert gave this 4 stars, I knew I'd be skeptical of him from then on.

    I've seen:

    Pillow Book
    The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover

    Unless he again casts a must-see actor like Ewan McGregor, I don't think I'll be seeing any more of his films.
     
  11. JohnRice

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    Heh.

    I have to give Cook another look. I know the local rental pit of hell has 8 1/2 Women. Guess I'll see if I find any others.
     
  12. Brook K

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    Updated with The Baby of Mâcon - B-

    That was interesting
     
  13. SteveGon

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    Good lord, haven't we seen of enough of ol' Ewan? [​IMG]
     
  14. Mario Gauci

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    In order of merit:


    1.The Draughtsman's Contract (1982) ***
    2.The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover (1989) ***
    3.Drowning by Numbers (1988) ***
    4.The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 3: From Sark to the Finish (2003) *1/2


    Not many would put THE DRAUGHTSMAN'S CONTRACT at the top, I guess, but even if I liked nos. 2 and 3 well enough (from what I recall of the latter from many years ago), they leave a bad taste in the mouth which does not make one remember them with affection.

    As for TULSE LUPER, I was lucky enough [sic] to watch it at last year's Venice Film Festival with the director himself in attendance; after the film, we were given a chance to meet him up close and personal...but I hated the film so much that I passed on that unique opportunity for fear of losing control of myself and knocking him out for making me waste 2 hours of my precious time[​IMG]! At least, the entrance for that particular screening was free[​IMG]!

    It's strange but being such a fan of Bunuel one would think that "modern" Surrealists like Greenaway, Jodorowsky and Lynch would be much more to my liking but - no. Even so, I'm still interested in catching up with A ZED AND TWO NOUGHTS (1985), THE BELLY OF AN ARCHITECT (1987), PROSPERO'S BOOKS (1991) and THE BABY OF MACON (1993) and might even rent THE PILLOW BOOK (1996) and 8 1/2 WOMEN (1999) one of these days.
     
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    The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 1: The Moab Story (2003) [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] (Own the DVD)


    Seen 19
    Own 18
     
  16. Martin Teller

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    Nightwatching (2007) - 5/10
    8 ½ Women (1999) - 6/10
    The Pillow Book (1996) - 7/10
    The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover (1989) - 9/10
    Fear of Drowning (1988) - 7/10

    Drowning by Numbers (1988) - 10/10
    The Belly of an Architect (1987) - 7/10
    Inside Rooms: 26 Bathrooms, London & Oxfordshire, 1985 (1985) - 8/10

    A Zed & Two Noughts (1985) - 9/10

    The Coastline (1983) - 6/10
    The Falls (1980) - 9/10
    Vertical Features Remake (1978) - 9/10
    A Walk Through H: The Reincarnation of an Ornithologist (1978) - 9/10
    Dear Phone (1977) - 5/10
    Water Wrackets (1975) - 2/10
    Windows (1975) - 8/10
    H Is for House (1973) - 5/10
    Intervals (1969) - 6/10



    Watched part of The Draughtsman's Contract, but I can't remember why I didn't finish it. I have a vague memory that there were interesting concepts but the execution was tedious. Also back in college I started on Prospero's Books but didn't make it far. I remember excessive nudity, though.
     
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    The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover - B+

    Now THAT'S an ending!
     
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    Nightwatching (2007) [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Seen 20
    Own 18

    Peter Greenaway is now the 73rd director in this series that I've seen/met in person
     
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    Windows (1975) - 8/10
    H Is for House (1973) - 5/10
    Intervals (1969) - 6/10
     
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    Dear Phone (1977) - 5/10
    Water Wrackets (1975) - 2/10
     

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