Enterprise 2/6/02

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  1. Patrick Sun

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    I literally LOL when Archer landed on his backside, and his head was buried T'Pol's breastage. Sometimes it's good to be the captain! After that, I don't remember much of the rest of the episode. [​IMG]
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  2. Mike Broadman

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    Great freakin' episode. Political intrigue, civil wars, Vulcans and Andorians- a healthy brew of problems and challenges. I liked it a lot; possibly the best one so far.
     
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    I liked it also. But the previews for next week were severley disturbing. B&B just couldn't even wait for the finale for some time travel. I could be wrong here but not of the alternatives are that much better.
     
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    Yes, good show. Lots of dilemmas (and ah... personnel matters) to deal with. Next week scares me.
     
  5. Patrick Sun

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    You have to love the way N'Pol will answer in ways that require the person to make assumptions upon her answers.
    BTW, I wonder how long it took them to shoot the "all-tied-up with nowhere to go" scene with N'Pol and Archer. [​IMG]
     
  6. Mark Turetsky

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    I really enjoyed last night's episode. I had good political intrigue, the mythology of the series was furthered, and it related to events which took place earlier in the season. I'm rather anxious to see how the cessation of combined Vulcan/Earth fleet operations will affect things. Will the Vulcans abandon Earth entirely, I wonder? It should be very interesting to see this play out. And you know what, for people who are responsible for "ruining Trek" who should either be banned from the Paramount lot or covertly assassinated depending on who you talk to, Berman and Braga have certainly done a bang-up job getting this show going.
     
  7. Mark Turetsky

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    Oh, and about next week's episode, Dominic Keating (who plays Malcolm Reed on the show) has repeatedly spoken of his pride in doing it. Hopefully his pride is not misplaced. It could wind up being a wonderful ep from what I've read about it. We'll see.
     
  8. Jack Briggs

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    The episode had its ups and downs--and, so help me, this ongoing process of creating a kinder, gentler T'Pol reeks of studio cynicism. By that, I mean this: I keep getting the impression that Paramount is still trying to sell us on the Enterprise concept. This entire block of new episodes has centered around on getting us to love this crew.

    And the thing is: It's working. I'm buying into the cynicism. I'll stick with the show throughout its seven-year run as a result.

    As for the episode, I liked the Starfleet/Vulcan tensions. And I liked the interplay among the Enterprise crew. I did not like the political-intrigue aspects as much for the simple reason we've had so much of the very same thing in TNG. Here, so early on in Earth's interstellar adventure, it seems a bit forced.

    One plus, however: the Andorians are being fleshed out nicely--more than they ever had a chance back during the TOS days.

    So, I liked last night's episode--but I resent how I was "forced" to like it.

    Make sense?
     
  9. Bill Catherall

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    Yes, loved the "bondage" scene! [​IMG]
     
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    It was okay. I didn't find the political intrigue very compelling. I just love having the Reanimator back in the mix.
     
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    [ rant ]

    I felt the episode was average at best. I really like learning more about the andorians. Im not sure Im ready for an Archer-T'pol love interest yet. I just find it annoying that every time a male and female character is on a show, they have to fall in love. Its Enterprise, not 90210 for crying out loud!

    In addition, there was no real resolution for a lot of the issues that went on during the episode. What about the civil war? Its not like I want to see it wrapped up in one episode, but at least reference it at the end. It was like it never happened. Also, didnt the Andorians have advanced weapons? Couldnt they supply the rebels with weapons?

    I have another beef about whats going on. I really dont like the way the Vulcans are being played. There was way too much pride and anger going on for me to believe that this is the race that gave up emotions for logic. Would Spock have reacted in the same way as these "Vulcans"? Also, vulcans are void of emotions, however, they are not borg. I find the portrayal of T'pol and Seven of Nine (from voyager) to be similar. Even Spock showed a bit of inquisitive-ness when he was stumped, that was the whole deal with the raising of one eyebrow thing.

    I do like "Trip". In fact, I think he would have probably would have made a better captain than archer.

    I hope the next episode doesnt deal with time travel. I think the one thing that ruined Star Trek was the whole idea of time travel.

    [ /rant ]

    -ikiru
     
  12. Jack Briggs

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    Good post, Ikiru! I agree with your points about the Vulcans as portrayed in the series. You can feel their repressed anger and contempt for us smelly humans.
     
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    I think the Archer-T'Pol thing could be interesting. Humans and Vulcans did get together somewhere along the line (AKA Spock) and this is the first time the two have been in a position that would allow it to happen.

    I don't know if that is where they are going with the story but I can see it working. Lets face it, if you put a bunch of people on a small ship and make them work together closely it will happen. It would always happen in the real world so why not in Trek.
     
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    Won't be able to see this until saturday. So I skipped what you guys had to say until then.

    I have one question. According to the Star Trek website it says that Dr. Phlox is a Denobulan, why does he look like a Cardassian?

    Jon
     
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    (Disclaimer - due to slipping into full-on 'geek mode' and having my head buried in HTML, CSS, and PERL code last night while working on my website, I completely forgot to watch Enterprise, so I missed this episode. That said...)
     
  18. Patrick Sun

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    I've gotten the vibe that it would be Tripp and T'Pol that would eventually be hooking up. Tripp is the overly expressive one, and T'Pol is the overly inexpressive one. Opposites "attract".
    Archer love Porthros too much to introduce a female into the equation. [​IMG]
     
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    I also do not like how Vulcan's are now characterized when one considers Spock. Spock had so much more depth. He was a noble Vulcan without the cynicism and outright contempt for humans that the vulcan's on this show seem to display at times. He found human's actions puzzling, but he had respect for the indiviudual. Sarek, his father, was much the same. Of course, this could be attributed to his Mother's affect on them. There was also a tremendous amount of growth in his character if you consider the arc of his character from "The Cage" (or Menagerie) thru the feature films. I do feel that the portrayl of Vulcans on the show is not what Rodenberry ever had in mind. Anybody have Leonard's number? I'd love to hear his toughts on this!
     
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