DRM: "I can't let you do that, Dave"...

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  1. MattAlbie60

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    I wouldn't worry about it. I mean, this is just a little company like Amazon that's dealing with this kind of thing. I'm sure bigger companies won't have any problems :D
     
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    Same story with books -
    http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/10/amazons-remote-wipe-of-customers-kindle-highlights-perils-of-drm/
    I really hate DRM. And my dislike for downloadable content is increasing daily.
     
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    I remember a while back there was this "same scenario" with an online SACD/DVD-A hi-res stream provider.
    You could pay per use like you do with Spotify. And you could create playlists with another "fee" to keep certain songs active without an internet connection. That made people "assume" (:P) they had bought their music...
    I learned long ago not to trust streaming schemes.
     
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    Keep a close eye:
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/10/a-supreme-court-clash-could-change-what-ownership-means/
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/10/jailbreaking-now-legal-under-dmca-for-smartphones-but-not-tablets/
    http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/26/3554770/ebook-typos
     
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    Agree with him or not, nobody else in the world is thinking through Copyright from the user's point of view like Doctorow:
    And here is where Sam looks like a goddam psychic! Waaaaaaait for it!
    http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/11/geeks-guide-cory-doctorow/all/
     
  6. Sam Posten

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    It occurs to me that a line from another Sci Fi classic is also related to DRM:
    DRM'ed content expires when you do!
     
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    bleh
    http://gamepolitics.com/2012/12/18/ea-maxis-ama-reddit-turns-sharply-discussion-drm-simcity#.UNDM8He1XkY
     
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    As hard as many of us at HTF fought against DIVX back in the '90's, it's frustrating to know that there are many people here who have no problem with the studios latest schemes. That's why I absolutely refuse to buy into any of the DRMed streaming systems. Give me a disc that I can rip, store on my server, and then store until needed again later. I'll ALWAYS choose a physical copy over a copy in the "cloud" any day. I guess I'm just old-fashioned that way.
     
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    Amen brother!
     
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    The current legal situation:
    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/12/first-sale-under-siege-if-you-bought-it-you-should-own-it
     
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    Good question:
    http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/12/the-music-industry-dropped-drm-years-ago-so-why-does-it-persist-on-e-books/
     
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    "Designed to maintain scarcity for digital goods" /facepalm http://www.geekwire.com/2013/amazon-wins-patent-reselling-lending-used-digital-goods/
     
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    Fair and balanced look at where we stand, from someone who comes out in favor of DRM done right: http://blog.alanquatermain.me/2013/02/14/ebook-drm-and-undrm/
     
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    Le sigh: http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/indie-booksellers-sue-amazon-a.html
     
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    I've been thinking the same thing for a long time. I'll admit streaming video is good for rentals, and certainly a good substitute for cable TV, but what really annoys me is how many recent movies have been released on this several weeks before they're available on disc, certainly to drive people to switch to buying movies that way. Buying a movie this way is much like how unlocked DIVX discs worked- you could only play those on YOUR registered devices, and the right to play them could be taken away at any time for any reason and of course now with DIVX being history you can't play them at all. Vudu had several adult videos available but they were taken off-line after Wal-Mart bought the company, and anyone who had 'bought' them can now no longer watch them, though at least they issued refunds for them that time. I would rather buy a movie on VHS than through some streaming system!
     
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    Essentially it marks the beginning of commercial interests driving the development of HTML. Instead of being pursued for the common good it is now tainted by special interests.

    Imagine how different things would have been had Flash been made an HTML foundation yet still in the hands of Adobe.
    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/10/lowering-your-standards

    http://freeculture.org/blog/2013/04/23/dont-let-the-myths-fool-you-the-w3cs-plan-for-drm-in-html5-is-a-betrayal-to-all-web-users/

    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/04/24/209234/whats-actually-wrong-with-drm-in-html5
     
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    I was kind of, sort of, for it because I hate Flash and assumed the W3C was going to define the encryption protocols, presumably with a PKE approach. But now that I see that they are offloading that function to commercial CDM providers I think this is a horrible idea. (And the commercial CDM architecture is probbaly why we no longer hear Adobe fighting the approach.)

    I can forsee where browsers have to be licenced, like DVD/BR players are, limiting future development. I think commcial CDM leaves the end-user open to poor and potentially unsecure software. And the end result is one step closer to lockdown of all data. It won't happen anytime soon, but I can see a day where you won't be able to purchase content, it will all be streamed.

    The one thought that always amuses and keeps me going in these conversations is the image of every music industry executive ever collectively pounding their heads on their desks saying, "Damn! Damn! Damn!
     

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