Disney announces: The Color of Money; Ransom; Cocktail (Blu-ray)

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  1. cineMANIAC

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    Third time's the charm! I'm glad to report that the Ransom Blu-ray looks super! The disc sports a very pleasing image, sharp but not processed, nice and clean. Got it for $12.99 at Best Buy. Also nice not to see a Mill Creek or Echo Bridge logo on the back cover.
     
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    Nice to hear about Ransom. I'm holding my thumbs the same is true for "The Color Of Money".
     
  3. Mike Williams

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    Very disappointing that "The Color of Money," directed by Martin Scorsese, earned an academy award for Paul Newman, and also starring Tom Cruise, who is still a very big star, is touted as a "25th Anniversary Edition," but doesn't contain ONE SINGLE EXTRA.
     
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    Agree, but at the $13 pre-order that's winging away to me as I type I'm really hoping for a great transfer. :(
     
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    It definitely blows the old DVD out of the water, but I only checked it on a 40"-ish monitor at work, so I'll leave the more specific scrutiny to others.
     
  6. Michel_Hafner

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    COM Blu Ray is very disappointing. Looks like it was made for DVD with no HD fidelity in mind. Not good enough any more, even at reduced price.
    http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Color-of-Money-Blu-ray/39675/#Review
     
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    It's already on it's way to my house so I guess I'll spin it instead of returning it if it's piss poor.
     
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    Well, like I said before, in a small sample size it looked to me to trounce the DVD. My co-worker - who is a Scorsese nut - was quite adamant that it was a big improvement from the DVD to his eyes. But again, we were checking a couple scenes on a 40" monitor, with only our memories of the DVD in our minds.

    I never saw the film theatrically so I have no idea if it's photography lends itself to looking muted. It wouldn't completely shock me, as it is a film that mostly takes place in dimly lit bars. Or this could just be wrong.

    For what it's worth, at bluray.com some people are saying it's pretty much how it's looked on recent HBO/HDNet broadcasts.
     
  11. Walter Kittel

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    I viewed it theatrically, but that is so long ago that I don't completely trust my memory. Having said that, my (vague) recollection is that the film does have a dark, muted, gritty look to it. There are a number of dimly lit interior scenes in the film, so I do not expect the BD transfer to 'pop'. The BD is already on its way; perhaps I'll give it a spin this weekend.
    - Walter.
     
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    Some interesting info:

    "The color of money, everybody knows, is green. The color of pool table felt in Martin Scorsese's 1986 movie The Color of Money is ... blue? Wait a sec--rewind. That's not quite right, is it? Actually, it's wrong. The blue pool tables in The Color of Money have nagged the makers of the film since it was shot. When Scorsese began preproduction on the sequel to the classic movie The Hustler, he toyed with the idea of shooting in black and white. The studio, Touchstone, wasn't crazy about the idea, so Scorsese opted instead to "paint with color" for this story of an aging pool shark (Paul Newman) and his cocky young protégé (Tom Cruise). For the first two-thirds of the film, which takes place largely in a wintry Chicago, Scorsese, production designer Boris Leven and cinematographer Michael Ballhaus designed the film in gray, black and white. The results were striking, with one slight hitch: "Because of the nature of the lighting, the green felt of the pool tables kept going blue," recalls film editor Thelma Schoonmaker, a longtime Scorsese collaborator. "There was nothing we could do about it, because we wanted to make sure the skin tones were right, and the overall look of the film was right; so we let it go."
    Last summer, Schoonmaker was at New York's Technicolor Creative Services staring at those blue pool tables again. When the film was first made, there was no fix for the problem, but thanks to digital technology, she could now correct it easily. "All we had to do was open digital windows on the pool tables and fill them in with green, without affecting the rest of the shot," Schoonmaker explains. Why was a multiple-Oscar-winning editor concerned with color correction on a 20-year-old movie? Because, like many classics from Hollywood's archives, The Color of Money is about to be reborn."


    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/digital/home-theater/4295496?page=2



    "I held off writing about [Gangs of New York's first Blu-ray release] until I got an assignment from Popular Mechanics in the fall of '08, to write a major feature on the craft and art of high-definition digital transfer and how it relates to Blu-ray discs of classic and contemporary films. My hook—my 'you are almost kinda-sorta-there' anecdote for the lede—involved Martin Scorsese's editor Thelma Schoonmaker supervising a high-def transfer of Scorsese's The Color of Money. In the course of my interview with Schoonmaker, I brought up the Gangs Blu-ray, which another of my interview subjects, film preservationist and restoration expert Robert H. Harris, pronounced as among one of the worst he'd ever seen. Schoonmaker practically shuddered when I brought it up, saying that while she hadn't yet seen it, that it had been made without the input of her and Scorsese, and that she had heard what a disaster it was, and that she was almost afraid to look at it."



    http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/topicsquestionsexercises-of-the-week-5-february-2010



    "Scorsese's The Color of Money is arguably an improved product over even its theatrical release, because it was remastered with care and attention."

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/digital/home-theater/4295496-2



    Would Disney really not bother to use the new supervised HD master for this blu-ray when they spent all the $$ to make it? Seems unlikely to me.
     
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    Who knows. The stills show a pasty mess of a transfer.
     
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    As "disappointing" as the blu-ray of COM may be, the stills alone give the impression that it is noticeably improved over the DVD. I look forward to more reviews of this particular item. I'm having a hard time being convinced it this has a 1/5 video transfer.
    I'm guessing its an "average" quality blu-ray. I've never bought the DVD, so I'll likely pick it up eventually since I doubt Disney will finance any sort of restoration anytime soon.
     
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    Someone get a copy to Robert Harris, QUICK!
     
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    1 out of 5 for Color of Money does not sound promising, but Bluray.com said it was the best it has looked on home video, for whatever that is worth.
     
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    I was able to watch it last night. I was hoping DVDBeaver's review was going to be the more accurate one and that the dark/gritty/muted colors look was what had people so upset (I'm sure 90% of the "lynch mob" at blu-ray.com hasn't even seen it). Unfortunately it does look like an encoding problem. I'm not enough of an expert to say exactly what happened, but the image has been way over-processed. Faces are very pasty with a two-toned look, contrast in some scenes is too high, and I think edge enhancement is one of the big problems. There are several scenes where Tom Cruise looks like he's been cut and pasted into the movie. Also, near the end of the movie where Helen Shaver is in Newman's hotel room and she hands him the cue chalk there's a close-up of their hands.... I had to pause and go back because I couldn't tell what I was looking at. Newman's fingers are two different colors (and neither is flesh toned!). It looks almost like a painting, pink and orange.
    I went back and forth with the DVD on a few scenes and while the blu-ray is cleaner and a little clearer, I have to say I think I'll stick with the DVD.
     

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