Die Another Day: subtitle issues

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  1. Matt Naglieri

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    I got a copy of the region 2 disc today and to my extreme disappointment the original films subtitles have been removed from the film and replaced with those horrible looking things that have ruined such films as Star Wars Episodes 1 & 2, XXX, I Spy, etc...

    I would assume the same will be done for the Region 1 version which is to be released on June 3rd but this may or may not happen.

    I don't see how any major studio could seriously release a dvd that looks as if it were a crappy illegal bootleg.

    Is there any hope that they will stop doing this in the near future? I'm damn sick of wasting my money on this unwatchable crap.
     
  2. Rob Lutter

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    It's standard pratice for MGM so they can have hard-subs translated in multiple languages. This happens on EVERY MGM disc.
     
  3. Matt Naglieri

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    I can't understand why this is a standard practice. I would think that the majority of people seeing this film are english speaking and yet we are placed in the minority and get this crap.

    I would not be opposed to this practice if these subtitles didn't take up about 15-25% of my screen and looked professional.
     
  4. stephen^wilson

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    I was worried that MGM would do this with the subtitles.The region 2 version of The Terminator was the same,the info about the war being fought here,tonight was removed and replaced with those crappy subtitles.The taking of pelham 123 has one subtitle in the movie and they removed that and replaced it on the black bar at the bottom of the screen.with it not being anamorphic i lost the bottom line of the subtitle when i zoomed it to fill my tv.One thing though,can you tell me where you got your region 2 version from?
     
  5. Matt Naglieri

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    In regards to terminator my region 1 version looks fine and the subtitles are intact.

    Die Another Day was released on April 16th in sweden. I purchased from dvdsverige Upon registration an english translation option is available on the website.


    The disc itself came in a slim 2 disc case with a cardboard slipcover. The insert itself is double sided with alternate artwork on the back.

    For anyone who doesn't know the region 2 disc has an exclusive documentary which will not be on region 1 disc
     
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    Was the cover in english or swedish?
     
  7. Matt Naglieri

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    The front and side cover are in english as is the complete booklet inside. The back cover is in swedish. Basically all the back cover says is a description of the film and features. Overall it looks better to me then the upcoming R1 artwork.
     
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  9. Matt Naglieri

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    How much money could it possibly cost? Am I supposed to believe there's no money for the proper display of subtitles but there is enough money to make a pan & scan transfer? Not to mention i'm certain that the vhs version would be unaffected by this as vcr's are not capable of anything other than playing back the recorded material.

    Please correct me if I am wrong but I would think it's no different to show a proper subtitle than it would be to show a proper credit in an opening sequence of any film.

    I remember reading somewhere that the real reason they remove the subtitles from the film because it overlaps with the secondary subtitles on the dvd and they want to prevent viewers with hearing disabilities from seeing two of the same subtitle.

    Again I have to say if they didn't look as bad as they do I would not be opposed to it. I've seen some films that have looked decent and that are a nuisance and are unwatchable.

    I guess I just don't get the reason behind it all. In example from FOX - Hot Shots has the crappy subtitles but Hot Shots: Part Deux doesn't. WHY?? Was this ever discussed anywhere. I've tried looking here on forum but found nothing.

    Regardless if the studio is altering the film from it's theatrical presentation in this case removal of subtitles then we should be given a warning about it and the option not to buy it. To me it's no different than the pan & scan problem which shouldn't even exist. But of course if they told the truth and it affected sales then maybe they would see the point.
     
  10. Ric Easton

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    Tbis is a bummer! I use black mat boards to cover up the black bars on 1:2.35 releases (makes it a little more immersive, with the lights off). Would they appear on my widescreen if I didn't use them... or would they still be cut off? This is unacceptable!

    Ric
     
  11. Matt Naglieri

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    Ric

    The first subtitle in the film which describes the military camp in North Korea is shown partially in the film and on the bottom black bar. The other subtitles are shown only in the bottom black bar.

    If you have seen XXX it's very similar.
     
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  13. Matt Naglieri

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    The point of this thread is to make people aware of a potential problem that is not usually discussed in many online reviews. I'm sure many people may find this information useful when they are about to purchase a dvd.

     
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    Vincent


    I guess that would be too simple a solution. Although it would be truly ideal.
     
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  20. Matt Naglieri

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    I'm sorry if you think i'm ranting and raving about just this disc. My only intention in this post was to say hey this might happen here too as it does many times. If this concerns you check back on June 3rd to see if that is the case.

    I rarely get out the theater and I am very disappointed when I purchase a major film in region 1 and find this problem.

    The way I am interpreting what Vincent said would be something like this.

    North Korean Military Base
    "North Korean Military Base"

    The first being burned into the film the second being generated as an option by the user if desired.

    I hope I clarified any confusion about my initial intention.
     

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