Did Rhino lie? "Transformers: The Movie" region 2 DVD - WIDESCREEN

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  1. Michael Allred

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    you...have...got...to...be...kidding...me... [​IMG]
     
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    No, Rhino did not lie (at least Im pretty sure they didn't). I read recently that the R2 version of the movie is going to be the edited version with the spike curse word taken out and that stupid scrolling text intro inserted back in. Supposedly there are widescreen prints available for that version of the movie.
    We here in the HT and DVD community were screaming for the uncut theatrical version we saw and the best print Rhino could use was what we got. All the prints for the uncut version were unuseable.
    Mind you I'm just spitting out info I remeber from when this widescreen debacle started so If I'm wrong on any of this, please, anyone please feel free to correct me [​IMG]
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    If, in the end, the edited version is the only widescreen version available, then here's what I might like to see:
    A SE version of the movie, with both versions included: FS uncut and WS cut versions. And all the extras on the R2 release, especially the video for "The Touch" (a song I use to motivate myself with to this day!) and perhaps some extras in the Weird Al dept. And anything else they can think of.
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    I bet that R2 version is going to look terrible too. While Rhino dropped the ball on the extras(I've always said that), I want my Transformers uncut. The movie was animated at 1.66:1 according to my sources, which means that very very little was actually lost in the process. The image we got was very clean, and I'm a happy man. If I find the UK disc at the right price, I may buy it for the extras
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    Dave, if you motivate yourself to "The Touch," I'm frightened for you. Really. Say hi to "Chest Rockwell" for me. [​IMG]
     
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    I also find "The Touch" to be a motivational song.
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  9. Ryan Patterson

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    I personally prefer "Dare", it's a much higher-energy song. Of course, only the '86 version rocks... I've heard the '97 remake and the live version, but they fail to capture the energy of the original.
    Interesting how both Stan Bush and Lion made it to The Wraith soundtrack that same year... did Scotty Bros pay for a multi-soundtrack contract with these artists?
    I wonder if the UK version of the movie is actually from a widescreen master, or if they're just masking the top and bottom to make it compatible & anamorphic with 16x9 sets. (Do they use that ratio in the UK?)
    At any rate, it's nice to know that I'm not missing too much from the supposed 1.66:1 transfer. Isn't that what most Disney films are shot at? Probably for maxiumum compatibility in overseas markets... UK's theatrical ratios are usually 1.66:1, aren't they?
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    David,
    "Chest Rockwell" was a character in Boogie Nights. In Boogie Nights, Mark Wahlberg's character Dirk Diggler cuts a version of "The Touch."
    I love that song and all the rest of the songs on the soundtrack. And, believe it or not, Ace Frehley covered "Nothing's Gonna Stand In Our Way" on some other movie's soundtrack. Don't ask me what movie it was, because I only saw the opening once a long time ago (unless I dreamed it).
    Also, I shouldn't let all of you know this (because supplies are limited and I haven't ordered mine yet [​IMG] ), but an expanded version of the film's score is available at www.botcon.com. These tend to run out in fairly short order, but they seem to be repressed for each Botcon. This time, I am determined to get mine!
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  11. Ryan Patterson

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    So what was the story behind "The Touch" and "Boogie Nights"? The fact that it was sung in the early 80s in Boogie Nights suggests that the song wasn't written by Stan Bush, and that the song was in limbo for quite some time before it was picked up for TF: The Movie. I was looking forward to hearing what Vince DiCola had to say about it on the DVD, but it turned out he didn't say very much about it... just how he found out that Boogie Nights was using it.
    Any ideas?
     
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    quote: "Chest Rockwell" was a character in Boogie Nights. In Boogie Nights, Mark Wahlberg's character Dirk Diggler cuts a version of "The Touch."[/quote]
    Oh. I'd heard that the song was in Boogie Nights, but I hadn't seen that movie yet, so I didn't get the Chest Rockwell reference.
    Perhaps I now see Mark's source of amusement. Perhaps I flew too far off the handle.
    Nah. This song has intense personal meaning for me, and although Mark didn't know that, it didn't make what he said hurt any less. "Think before you strike".
    Dare and Nothin's Gonna Stand In Our Way are also very good, even if the latter is a Decepticon song! [​IMG]
    I checked out the site with the other soundtrack CD. It is very tempting, isn't it? I might snag it. I'll say, though, that I saw the film when it opened in theatres, that I picked up the vinyl album when I got my next paycheck, that I bought the VHS for $89.95 (!!!) when it first became available for rent (yep, paid the damn rental window price for it), then picked up an original movie poster at a comic book con (it is in safe storage, and my 3-year-old has a replica of it hanging above his bed!). Then when I found out years later a CD was available I sent off to a record store in Houston, TX for it! I picked up the Rhino DVD day-and-date of release. Yeah, I've got a thing for Transformers: The Movie.
    Edit: Oh, yeah, I forgot: somewhere in the 14½ boxes of comic books I have, I also have the T:TM comic book, along with several other Transformers comics. I know it's in there somewhere, but as I haven't collected comics in 10 years, and am pretty much just storing that stuff for my son's eventual enjoyment or profit, I couldn't just run and put my hands on it! [​IMG]
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    Boogie Nights isn't a historical document. don't doubt the history or credits of the song simply because it is depicted as an anachronism.
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    Damin,
    Whether Boogie Nights is an official historical document is not the issue, I'm still curious about the history of this song.
    David,
    Wow, I didn't realize the initial FHE release of TF: The Movie was priced for rent. I still remember when it first came out... I had the date marked in my high school daytimer! Can't remember the exact date though... it was in February 1987, right?
    I currently own what I think was the FHE repackaging that maybe came out in '88-89. The package has a red bar underneath the movie poster with all the movie credits. This red bar wraps all around the bottom of the tape box. Can you confirm this? I can't remember what the intial package looked like.
    As for the expanded soundtrack, well, I downloaded that off Napster last year. Normally, with something like this I'd go out to the store and buy it. However, since this was a Botcon-only product, and that I live in Canada and have no plans to visit Botcon, I figured this was much more convenient. [​IMG] Now there's Audiognome and a bunch of other Napster clones where you can still get the soundtrack. The music is excellent, and since it's isolated, sounds incredible in some spots. For example, when Galvatron steps on the coronation crown after he kills Starscream, the cue comes through very strong and menacing. You just don't get to hear it all in the FHE version, although the Rhino DVD version is better as it was supposedly remastered using this soundtrack.
     
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    huh? why would the "The Touch" appearing in Boogie Nights suggest anything about the song's actual history?
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    quote: Boogie Nights was made many years later and does not attempt to accurately portray history, so why would it cause any doubt?[/quote]
    Boogie Nights takes place in the late 70's and early 80's, and if you've watched the movie you'll notice that they have attempted to portray that part of history fairly well. For example, the whole issue of porn video killing the adult theatres was very accurate. There is enough history accurately being followed here for me to question the origin of "The Touch".
    quote: huh? why would the "The Touch" appearing in Boogie Nights suggest anything about the song's actual history?[/quote]
    Geez, why are you on my case all of a sudden? Can't we all just get along? [​IMG] The truth is I don't know the song's history and I'm curious to find out. Anyway, if my response above doesn't clear things up, maybe I should be asking you why you think Boogie Nights was that bad in portraying the 70's and 80's?
    If you have any official information as to when The Touch was written, then by all means, let me know. Looking on the web, I see he wrote the song, so I'm not trying to nail Stan Bush to the wall. I wouldn't nail him for not writing the song either, that's not the point. I just want to know if Stan maybe wrote the song in 1979 or something for his Barrage band, but then dropped it temporarily for some reason. (Much like Bon Jovi's "Diamond Ring").
    Boogie Nights may not be a "historical document", but it presents enough validility for me to question the song's origins. I hope I cleared this up enough for you.
    Regards,
    Ryan
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    Was Transformers the movie really in widescreen? I don't remember the movie screen taking on that shape, but I could be wrong. It's been so long.
    Also, I was able to get the film score for this movie and Nerd Alert! went in and added the songs from the soundtrack in the order which they appear in the movie to the score that I have. End Nerd Alert! sort of.
    I should do illegal stuff and sell them, but I won't. Beside the three people that might actuall enjoy it prolly already own both sets and are about to do the same.
    Continue Nerd Alert! I still have roughly 150 of my original Transformers along with comics, bed spreads, original packages, books, 3 different versions of the movie on DVD (the US, Canadian, and Japanese versions), and so much more. End Nerd Alert!
    Also, I believe Stan Bush and Vince Dicola wrote "The Touch" and it was in Boogie Nights. What more does anyone need?
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    i never said it was "bad in portraying the 70's and 80's." however, it's a fictional story. it has fictional characters doing fictional things. one such fictional thing is a character singing an anachronistic song, a song so intentionally obscure that the vast majority of viewers likely didn't recognize it. it was used to evoke a certain musical time period, not imply a secret historical origin.
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