CSI: MIAMI "Spring Break" (4/28/03).... (1 Viewer)

[todd s]

I enjoyed the episode. A couple of points:

1-The girls broken neck was really creepy looking.

2-I thought the rapist/murderer was the guy who ran the Tequila promotion. His company could have been traveling to each of the spring break areas.

3-Emily Procter is hot.

 

[Lew Crippen]

3-Emily Procter is hot.

Along those lines, I thought that the writers had the CSI characters taking the moral high ground, especially regarding the exploitation of the young hard-bodies, who were on Spring break.

All the while cutting their cleavage shots with naked thigh shots (not that there is anything wrong with that)

But somehow the way the episode was shot was almost a parody of the speeches made by the cops.

 

[todd s]

Lew,

I understand what you are saying. But, I don't think the writers were trying to say that the kids on spring break are doing anything wrong. But, sometimes they have to learn their are consequences when things get to far.

 

[Lew Crippen]

I understand what you are saying. But, I don't think the writers were trying to say that the kids on spring break are doing anything wrong.

No they were not Todd—and neither was I. The writer’s were indeed commenting on those exploiting their activities, following them with their cameras and pushing tequila. That was where the moral judgments were being made.

I’m only sorry that I’m past those kinds of activities. It may have been mindless, but it was great fun.

 

[Nathan*W]

Horatio just rubs me the wrong way. Everything out of his mouth is so smug, like saying broken-neck girl's crime scene was on the beach because there were no drag marks in the sand. My wife and I looked at each other and said, "Uh, she could've been carried."

Other than that, the episode was okay.

 

[Troy Madlem]

I hear you Nathan. I usually get so damn mad at Horatio that I never see the endings of the show. Both my wife and I are big fans of the original CSI and I keep trying to watch CSI-Miami, but everytime Horatio drives me away. Too bad because the rest of the cast is really pretty good.

 

[todd s]

Lew,

We can agree on that. I missed those college days. Yet, as a father of two girls. I dread the day they want to go on those trips.

 

[Jesse Blacklow]

You guys should read the recaps over at Television Without Pity. The recapper for CSI:Miami is just as tired of Horatio's smug attitude. She also happens to recap the original CSI. The whole site is pretty entertaining, actually.

 

[Scott Shanks]

I didn't care for the part when they confronted the kids while playing video games in their hotel room. The guy (sorry, I'm new to the show and don't know the names or actors names yet) just kinda blurted out, "Your friend is dead!". The kids reactions were such that you could only conclude they already knew that, because not one of them acted surprised or upset, for that matter.

 

[Tim Markley]

I hear you Nathan. I usually get so damn mad at Horatio that I never see the endings of the show. Both my wife and I are big fans of the original CSI and I keep trying to watch CSI-Miami, but everytime Horatio drives me away.

Me too. The original CSI is one of my favorite shows and I love all of the cast. I keep trying to like CSI-Miami but I really don't like Horatio and he ruins the whole show for me. I don't think I'll be watching it anymore.

 

[Lew Crippen]

I agree (as does my wife) with the posts about Horatio.

It is not only the actor and the way he presents himself and delivers his lines, but the writing for the part.

Does this guy have no weaknesses? And where are the non-crime scene cops. In CSI, the crime scene guys don’t run everything. Why does Horatio have to be both the top dog and the font of all knowledge in this show?

I’m rapidly starting not to care.

 

[AlbertH]

that's cuz in miami, the csi's are real cops and can arrest people and stuff, where as in las vegas they are just "scientists".

 

[Ricardo C]

Am I the only one who likes Horatio? He's no more a smug know-it-all than Grissom is over on the original show.

 

[Nathan*W]

I don't think Grissom is smug. He certainly has suspicions about things, but he asks questions, and we have seen him stumped on problems before. (in other words: just like a real [believable] person)

 

[Jesse Blacklow]

Am I the only one who likes Horatio? He's no more a smug know-it-all than Grissom is over on the original show.

Grissom is a socially maladjusted individual. He shows evidence of low-level autism, so while some people think he's smug, he's actually just unaware of social cues. All of his CSIs admire him, and take his personality to be quirky. On the other hand, Horatio makes rash moral judgements that cloud his view of a case on a regular basis. I don't know why his CSIs respect him when he makes them do all of the work, so that he can get credit at the end.

It's simple: Grissom believes in the evidence, whereas Horatio believes in his own form of justice. "Miami" is becoming less a show about CSIs and more about Horatio's quest for vindication. About what? Who knows? The writers certainly aren't doing their best to provide exposition.

 

[Patrick Sun]

I think Miami CSIs have broader cop-like duties/responsibilities (more like jack-of-all-trades), unlike their Las Vegas counterparts. That was one of the "difference" selling point for CSI: Miami. Why would Speed and Horatio be riding along for a transfer of drug evidence (in that episode where there was a shootout and Speed was shot) unless they are "truer" cops than the Las Vegas CSIs.

This was highlighted in the first glimpse of CSI: Miami last season on CSI (where Gil and Katherine had to fly to Miami for their investigation, and we were introduced to Horatio and company).

 

[Jesse Blacklow]

Patrick: I don't think the CSIs from either city can detain or question anybody without an officer present. I know they're armed, but those are assumed to be defensive weapons, rather than offensive. I've never seen anything that leads me to believe that the Miami crew has broader police powers than Vegas.

As for the shootout, they could have been traveling with the evidence to preserve the "chain of custody," i.e. the evidence transferred from the crime lab must be accompanied by one or more people employed by the crime lab. Also, they traveled with a police escort (a cop was one of the fatalities), not by themselves.

 

[Lew Crippen]

Patrick: I don't think the CSIs from either city can detain or question anybody without an officer present. I know they're armed, but those are assumed to be defensive weapons, rather than offensive. I've never seen anything that leads me to believe that the Miami crew has broader police powers than Vegas.

In my view, we see ‘real’ police officers frequently in the first CSI. In several episodes, Grissom has to defer to his (real cop) superior and in at least one episode, one of the team (I can’t remember which one) makes the comment that the never interviews a suspect without his detective being present.

Contrast this with Horatio, who never seems to have a superior anywhere—certainly not one to whom he defers. IIRC, he did in a couple of the early episodes have a conflict with an agent from the FBI and had to back down a bit. But that is pretty much it.

And did anybody else catch the throwaway line in Law and Order, where the comment is made that the crime scene guys sometimes think that they are real cops?

 

[Patrick Sun]

I'm just going by how CSI presented CSI: Miami in the spin-off episode last season. At this point, it doesn't bother me when Horatio gets all policed up when he goes after his suspects in the interview room.

 

[Lee L]

I didn't care for the part when they confronted the kids while playing video games in their hotel room. The guy (sorry, I'm new to the show and don't know the names or actors names yet) just kinda blurted out, "Your friend is dead!". The kids reactions were such that you could only conclude they already knew that, because not one of them acted surprised or upset, for that matter.

I dislike the writing for CSI Miami as much or moreso than the next guy, but in this case, isn't that exactly what was true? The guys knew he was dead, he died in front of them and they consipred to hide that fact by throwing his body off the roof of the hotel while they jumped with him.

Cops often carefully choose when and the way that they reveal someones demise as the reaction of those told often gives a clue as to their knowledge or lack of it regarding the death.