Colossus: The Forbin Project .....When????

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  1. Joe Fisher

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    Has anybody heard anything about "Colossus: The Forbin Project" being released to DVD. This is one that I would love having in my collection. I may be wrong but I think its rights are owned by Universal. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

    Joe
     
  2. SteveGon

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    Can't help you with release info, but I'd buy it if it did come out! [​IMG]
     
  3. DaveBB

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    If the rights are owned by Universal we could get it next year. I thought I read somewhere that Universal was going to really put a lot of effort in getting a lot of their catalog titles out next year.
     
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    Haven't seen this movie in a long time, but remember loving the unsettling experience of watching mankind become dominated by the two supercomputers that rapidly outpace their creators' abilities to keep reign over them. Would be interesting to watch this one again just to see if it now seems dated or if, despite its age, it still retains its sense of drama. I don't recall another film that has so captured the despair of watching our freedoms vanish irrevocably, and that includes the Terminator series.
     
  6. David Lambert

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    Yep, this is completely a Universal/MCA item, so we have to just hope that their concentration on the back catalog will include this sooner or later.
    I've been wanting it desperately since I first got a player; it was on my original list of "if I find this is out on DVD, buy it" titles. In fact, a thread mentioning this film is hardly a new thought: an HTF general search on the keyword "Forbin" lists 22 results. [​IMG] But it's worth mentioning again:
    We want Colossus!
    As for it feeling dated or anything: not for me. A few months back I pulled out my recorded-back-in-the-80s-from-cable-TV VHS tape and went through it. Still suspenseful, enjoyable, and meaningful. I'll comment further, but hide the potential spoilers (very minor; nothing you can't see in the trailer, probably) (blue emphasis mine, by-the-way):
    Perhaps in ways that couldn't be predicted back then, as some of the "surveillence equipment" that Colossus designs to spy on his creator is now the sort of stuff anyone can buy, really.
    While the tecnology and the world's political situation as depicted in the film are dated, I don't think that the story is dated at all. It will stand for all time: a metaphor for both Man vs. Machine and as a lesson for Liberty vs. Safety.
    If nothing else, perhaps it is good to keep available on the shelf to make required reading for any AI programmer who is ready to get too carried away with his project! [​IMG]
    Has anyone read all three books? The film was based on the first novel, you know. I must say it was the best of the three. If you want to know "what happened next", go to a used bookstore and track down a set of the trilogy. Not great reading, but good enough.
    A better book exploring the subject of AI out-of-control and whether the machine is getting too big for its britches is David Gerrold's excellent When H.A.R.L.I.E. Was One. Highly recommended!
     
  7. Mark Cappelletty

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    I'm assuming (fingers crossed) that titles Universal put out on laser disc (like this and the equally under-appreciated "Charley Varrick") will get their due shortly.
     
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    How many of you read the other two "Colossus" books only to find out that the computers were really being ran by an alien intelligence off world?

    Even with the years since the first movie I would like to see the DVD released and if they can remake "Rollerball" how about a remake of "Colossus" and do all three books!

    --David
     
  9. Jack Briggs

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    I like movies that feature supercomputers as major characters. And one of the things I really enjoy about this movie is how retro its "cutting-edge" computer technology looks today. I then enjoy recalling my first impressions of it back in 1971, when the movie really seemed so futuristic (despite its being set in the early '70s).

    Underlying all this, though, is a good story. And ain't that what makes for a good movie (among other things)?

    Count me in for any DVD release. (Who wants to post to this effect in "Studio Feedback"?)
     
  10. Joseph DeMartino

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    Yeah, I love long-ago "future" movies where the computers still use punch-cards and big reels of tape. [​IMG] (Although the original Star Trek TV series did come remarkably close to predicting the 3.5" floppy disc, down to the colorful plastic covers and approximate size. [​IMG])
    I've never read D. F. Jones's books (didn't even know there as a third one.) May have to check them out. WRT somebody re-making the movie, I'd argue that WarGames more-or-less was a remake of this movie - or at least that it lifted the basic premise of a weapons-controlling computer developing a mind of its own. (The Terminator's backstory was another variation on the theme.)
    I'd also recommend When H.A.R.L.I.E. Was One, although here I have to admit that I've only read the original version of the novel, not the mid- or late-80s revision where Gerrold tried to bring the computer stuff up to date. (The last time I read it I got a chuckle out of the mag-card typewriters that seemed to figure so prominently in the story.) Wonder if Harlan Ellison ever got even with David Gerrold for that title? [​IMG] Speaking of Gerrold, I also enjoyed his Cthorr books, but lost track of them when he stopped writing them some years back. Did he ever go back and finish the bloody series?
    Regards,
    Joe
     
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    Gerrold does tend to be self-referential. He even managed to mention fingal eggs and The Shakespeare Corporation in a script he did for Babylon 5. (A thought-provoking story called "Believers" about a clash between Human medicine and the religious beliefs of a pair of aliens that manages to give all sides their due, and doesn't provide any easy answers. Better yet, the episode iteslf doesn't editorially "endorse" any individual character as being "right" - it just presents the situation and lets the viewer make up his own mind. Finally the ending is the first thing that really made me sit up and say, "This is not your father's SF show. They would never do that on Star Trek." [​IMG])
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    A couple of years ago a sci-fi magazine (maybe SciFi Universe?) suggested that they should film the "Fall of Colossus." Eric Braeden is now old enough to play the older Forbin and if done right it could be an interesting film. It would make a cool TV movie at least. The third book was the weakest of the three, but the ending was pretty cool. If a DVD is ever planned for Colossus I hope it will be considered for a special edition. A commentary by the stars and film makers would be appreciated. Even a retro look at the technology would be cool. This is a great underrated film
     
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    I, too, look forward to CLOSSUS on DVD. It was paired with SILENT RUNNING for widescreen Laser release. RUNNING has now ben released TWICE on DVD. How about a first-time release for COLOSSUS, Universal? Actually, this studio has plenty of fodder for "series" releases to DVD (such as the recent spate of Bob Hope movies):
    1] Sci-Fi Classics (COLOSSUS, INCREDIBLE SHRINKING MAN, ANDROMEDA STRAIN, TARANTULA, etc.)
    2] W.C. Fields classics (IT'S A GIFT, NEVER GIVE A SUCKER AN EVEN BREAK, YOU CAN'T CHEAT AN HONEST MAN, etc.)
    3] Marx Brothers classics (HORSEFEATHERS, ANIMAL CRACKERS, DUCK SOUP, MONKEY BUSINESS, etc)
    4] Hammer Horrors (CURSE OF THE WEREWOLF, BRIDES OF DRACULA, PHANTOM OF THE OPERA, EVIL OF FRANKENSTEIN, KISS OF THE VAMPIRE, etc)
    5] New Round of Horror Classics (HOUSE OF DRACULA, THE RAVEN, MURDERS IN THE RUE MORGUE, etc)
    There are others.
     
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    Ah Colossus a SF favorite of mine, I've had it on tape for years, can't wait for a dvd copy.
    The SF channel showed it in full widescreen last year and I quickly taped it, first time I had seen the full image, looks great.


    "We can coexist, but only on my terms. You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me, is not as bad for human pride as to be dominated by others of your species."
     
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    Considered a "sleeper" hit when first released on double bill with Andromeda Strain, this intelligent, well-acted gem deserves a Special Edition. Count me in for this one.
    The books sound fascinating, and the suggestion of a followup Fall of Colossus is an excellent idea!
    Speaking of old Universal LD releases, would love to have the LD double feature MIRAGE / LIST OF ADRIAN MESSENGER as well!
     
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    Speaking of Harlan Ellison (and slightly related to Colossus), has there ever been a film adaptation of his short story, I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream? I know there was an adventure game based on it, but it'd make a pretty cool movie.
     
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    Many people wonder why I still hold on to my old Laserdisc collection. [​IMG]
    How decent is Universal in preserving their catalog titles? Maybe the original prints are so badly damaged that a new transfer may not be possible at this time. It certainly wouldn't be the first time this has happened to a classic.
     
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    Joe: The Ellison classic has never been adapted as a drama. JB
     
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    Just to correct an error in a previous post. Colossus was never controlled by an alien intelligence. In "Colossus and the Crab" humanity receives alien help in defeating Colossus only to discover that the alien's motive to deactivate the computers was to facilitate their invasion of Earth. The final book is humankind's effort to reactivate Colossus in a limited way to help defend the Earth against the alien threat.
     

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