Citizen Kane and Doctor Zhivago in snappers?

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  1. Patrick McCart

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    I noticed a few people have refused to buy Citizen Kane because it'll be in a snapper.
    Uh...when was this announced?
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    I'm buying Dr. Zhivago even if it's in a lead balloon.
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    While I will agree that keepcases are far and away superior to snappers, the idea that someone would actually refuse to buy a movie because of the packaging strikes me as completely absurd. It goes to show you that not everyone who collects DVDs is a true film lover.
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  4. Jon Robertson

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    People are refusing to buy Citizen Kane because it's in a snapper?
    I cannot fathom that kind of thinking whatsoever...
    DVDs are for playing, not for show. Yeah, it would be nicer if it was in a keepcase, but it's not, so either re-format the cover to put it in a keepcase or just buy the disc (which looks to be one of the five greatest ever produced).
    It's not as if it's any great shock that it's going to be in a snapper (it's Warner for Pete's sake) - besides, how do you know it won't be a foldout style case, ala Se7en or Fight Club?
    Some people really need to get their priorities straightened when it comes to this hobby. Packaging is not high on my list (indeed, it's not even ON my list).
     
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    they are refusing to buy it because it's a 2 disc set. So if it comes in a snapper, the second disc will be in a paper enveloppe like the dvds in the Oliver stone box set.
     
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    Warner abandoned the "Oliver Stone" 2 disc packaging officially because EVERYONE hated it. I believe they are using some variant on the "Fight Club" style
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    Apart from my opinion of the snapper - I simply cannot believe that any filmlover would refuse to buy Citizen Kane or Dr Zhivago solely based on the case it was sold in. Whoever did that, would expose him/herself as a fake lover of the artform!
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    I hate snappers as much as the next person, but to not buy Citizen Kane or Doctor Zhivago because of it? Crazy people if you ask me.
    P.S. Does anybody know if there's a deleted scene in Doctor Zhivago where a train blows up? It's not a David Lean movie unless a train blows up [​IMG].
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    HELLOOOOOO this is Warner! Wake up people.
     
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    Warner provides a keepcase in the Japanese market. In the USA market, Warner knows that the consumer will buy the product anyway. Successful companies listen to their customers; but with exclusive rights, a movie is like a monopoly. The assumed attitude of Warner that "the U.S. customer will buy it anyway" surfaced a few years ago when Warner provided then new AC-3 (Dolby Digital 5.1) on laser discs in Japan on many titles released without AC-3 in USA. This was an issue on a pre-HTF newsgroup (alt.video.laserdisc). Someone thought to be from Warner brought up this point. What Warner is saying is you can have it the way we want to provide it. Thus, Warner tells us that we must take the snapper and now 4X3 on family movies.
    While the disc is the most important consideration, a nice package that is durable and protects the disc is important to the collector. Warner provides the quality package to its Japan customers, why not to the USA customers? In the case of Ben Hur, the Japan market got two DVD-9s in with nice art on the front of the discs in a two disc keepcase. The U.S. market got one two sided DVD-18 in a snapper. Both had same content with Japanese language support added for Region 2.
    Warner seems to know that the customer does not like the snapper (several surveys demonstrate this) but prefers to ignore their U.S. customer wants while providing what the U.S. customer wants to other markets. Yes, "they will buy it anyway."
     
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    Whatever. I'm not going to buy Citizen Kane unless Warner gets their act together and offers it in 5.1 sound and colorized. Who wants to see some boring old mono black & white film, anyway?
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    While I would love to see Citizen Kane and Doctor Zhivago in some form of a double case, rather than with the second disc in a flimsy paper sleeve, I don't think that's going to happen. I think we'll get exactly the same packaging that we got with the Oliver Stone collection.
    quote: Warner abandoned the "Oliver Stone" 2 disc packaging officially because EVERYONE hated it. I believe they are using some variant on the "Fight Club" style[/quote]
    Not to sound cynical, but Warner also promised that because of customer complaints they would stop releasing "Friends" and "South Park" in best of collections. That didn't happen.
    Until they earn some of my trust, I will remain skeptical of Warner's promises.
    Still, none of this would prevent me from purchasing either of these fine films. To base a purchase on poor packaging seems the height of absurdity.
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    [Edited last by Tim Gerdes on August 19, 2001 at 08:59 PM]
     
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    To set the record straight, I also do not base purchase upon the package. I just think that Warner should listen to their customers. For these two releases, however, I will likeky purchase the Japanese release. In the case of Warner, their prices in Japan are nearly the same as in USA. The two disc sets in Japan (in keepcase) are priced at 2980 yen with street price about 20% less. Yen/$ rate is from 120-125 these days.
     
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    snappers are the cases with the cardboard front, right?
    I'm guessing Warner must have a vested interest in using these - did they invent them?
    Even if they want to keep using them, wouldn't it make sense to create a proper 2-disc version for their 2-disc movies? I can't beleive they put the second disc in a paper sleeve! If they can't put a disc on the cardboard side, why not add a flap, like Gladiator?
     
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    quote: Whatever. I'm not going to buy Citizen Kane unless Warner gets their act together and offers it in 5.1 sound and colorized. Who wants to see some boring old mono black & white film, anyway? [/quote]
    And don't forget, it needs to be in anamorphic widescreen, too. [​IMG]
    While I doubt that I would buy this title if it came in a lead balloon like Gary (where would I store the balloon? [​IMG] ), a snapper case will not prevent me from purchasing either of these discs, nor any other film that I love.
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  17. Roger Mathus

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    On "The Big Picture" site there is a package preference poll. It indicates that about 80% prefer the keepcase with about 7% the snapper.
    http://www.thebigpicturedvd.com
    Look in the polls area.
     
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    I would never refuse to buy a title solely because of the packaging. To be honest, I really don't mind the snappers for single discs. If I ever spill a drink on one, I might change my opinion.
    I'm down for Citizen Kane and Dr. Zhivago even if they are served in a plain brown paper bag with a side of fries. [​IMG]
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  19. Moe Dickstein

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    It's interesting
    Someone ought to ask Warner at the chat - If they listened to the public about liking P+S on Family DVD - why not listen to the public about Snappers?
    very interesting...
     
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    Warner listens to what it wants to. Besides, not enough people are willing to take a stand against snappers the way that they have taken a stand aginst Willy Wonka.
    OAR counts for more than the packaging anyway, IMHO.
     

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