Canadian GINGER SNAPS is cropped on 4X3 sets!

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  1. Mark Palermo

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    I just received an advance copy of TVA's Ginger Snaps DVD. Yup, this is the feature loaded version that won't be available in the States. I'd heard the US version was pan and scan only, but for most people the Canadian disc won't be any better in this regard. Though the back of the box states "16x9 Anamorphic Widescreen", I wasn't getting a widescreen image on my 4X3 RPTV. No black bars and the opening credits were noticeably, heavily cropped. For interest, I set my player to 16X9 mode and the characters became thinner with more side info present. In other words, Ginger Snaps is anamorphically encoded so that unless you own a widescreen TV or wish to use the squeeze mode, you're stuck with a pan-and-scan version. What a disappointment! Wasn't it TVA that was also responsible for the Canadian Art of War fiasco?
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  2. Mark Cappelletty

    Mark Cappelletty Cinematographer

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    You should check your player again, methinks. This sounds like this disc utilized the barely-used "Pan-and-Scan on the fly" feature that caused many people to be confused with the original pressing of Criterion's "Last Temptation of Christ." If you set your DVD player to normal 4x3 playback, this might look normal. I've never heard of a DVD that was 16x9 encoded but not downconvertable to letterbox format on 4x3 sets.
     
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    Mark #1.
    Yeah you should try what Mark #2 suggested. I had a problem recently with Memento and it displaying at 1.85:1 instead of 2.35:1
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    I don't really have anything to add to this thread, but when I saw it I couldn't resist posting. [​IMG]
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    Can I join this club?
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  6. Mark Palermo

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    Thanks for the advice Marks. But I don't have this pan-and-scan feature on my player, so I don't know if that's really a cause. It's first generation and there are only two settings: 4X3 and 16X9. The cropping occured while in the basic 4X3 mode that I use to watch everything.
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    First gerneation and some second generation DVD players do not have the "pan & scan on the fly" feature in the menu options.
    You need to have a player with the 4x3 Letterbox or 4:3 Letterbox option in order to view these titles properly.
    Stinks, I know. But that is what happens when technology changes.
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    Oops. I should have put a most before the "First".
    I know my first DVD player, an RCA lacked this option of choosing between 4:3 letterbox or 4:3 pan & scan. My new Sony lets me choose.
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    Is TVA the same company that screwed-up the original release of Art of War? It doesn't sound like the same problem that the AOW disc had (the film was encoded for 16x9 T.V.s, but you could not downconvert it to 4:3 dimensions which made everything tall and skinny on 4:3 sets). The fact that it shows extra information on the sides when you set your player to 16x9 is very interesting. When does this come out? I was looking forward to it, but I would really like to know if it is OAR and anamorphic.
     
  11. Mark McLeod

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    Original Mark,
    I didn't think an auto pan and scan option existed on my A320 Panasonic because I couldn't find it in the menus. Eventually I found it under other settings and it fixed the problem I was having with Alliance Memento.
    I think this COULD be the problem you are having. Memento was 2.35:1 and the auto pan and scan (which was turned on my player with me even knowing since i hadn't had a problem) bumped it up to 1.85:1. Since Ginger Snaps was 1.85:1 it's possible that the auto pan/scan thing bumps it up to 4:3
    Details on this can be found on this Canadian Memento thread.
    http://www.hometheaterforum.com/uub/...ML/030409.html
    Apparently this feature does exist and is hardly used. The most notable title is The Last Temptation of Christ by Criterion.
    Anyways, I hope this info helps Mark P. and I hope you can help me with what I asked you in private.
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    I knew the feature existed but never knew of any titles that utilized it. Are there any other titles that people know of that use this feature?
     
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    If your television does the anamorphic squeeze, then set your player to 16:9 and hit the 4:3/16:9 button on your TV's remote control..
    A strange way to get around a problem, but it does work. (R2 Ghost in the Shell uses an anamorphic transfer, but is not coded as anamorphic, hence squishy anime, unless you squeeze it correctly.)
    A roundabout way of doing things.. sigh..
     
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    Is the US version definately pan & scan? I guess I'm going to have to pick up the Canadian version. Hell, I should anyways for the extra features. I got a chance to see this at the Seattle Film Festival and really enjoyed it.
    Can anyone recommend a good online Canadian DVD store?
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  16. Mark McLeod

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    Ross,
    From what I've heard the US one is Pan and Scan and barebones from Artisan. The canadian one is from TVA and an SE.
    A good place for Canadian discs that I've never had a problem with is http://www.cnl.com I've bought both online and at their warehouse with no problems.
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    The Canadian disc features :
    16 x 9 anamorphic widescreen
    5.1 English track
    5.1 French track
    audio commentary by director John Fawcett
    audio commentary by writer Karen Walton
    deleted scenes w/ separate audio commentary
    featurette
    audition & rehearsal footage
    Canadian theatrical trailer
    t.v. spots
    cast & crew bios
    photo galleries
    production design artwork
    and at least two Easter Eggs that I know of !
    It's truly a beautiful disc and easily the most elaborate DVD ever done by a Canadian studio. It streets Oct 23.
    A friend in the industry slipped me one last weekend.
     

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