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Well, I guess this one is of no interest to me. I think I'm the only Bond fan that really disliked the last movie. Daniel Craig just did not look and fit the part for me. Even though they are in their 60's I'd rather see Timothy Dalton or even George Lazenby come back to play 007!
 

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Don't forget these titles are derived from the 1950's from an Englishman that has properties totally unrelatable to an American population during the 21st Century.

Perhaps some of the dissastisfaction to the titles is that they are not as "colorful".

I have read all the vintage paperback Fleming Bond books, except the short stories from Octopussy. Still looking for a good clean copy of that one published by Signet.

I find it interesting that the title, Property of a Lady and the egg was used in the film, Octopussy. Milton Krest's name was taken from the short story The Hildebrand Rarity, in the book of short stories titled For You Eyes Only and used as the villian in the Dalton Bond film, License to Kill. Over the years, they took from here and there of the short stories to create characters and storylines.
 

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and "The World is Not Enough" is Bond's family motto from "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" and "Goldeneye" was the name of Fleming's Jamaican home. "Licence to Kill" was also a common phrase in both the series of books and films before being used as a title.

So really just "Tomorrow Never Dies" and "Die Another Day" are the only two titles that didn't come from Fleming in one way or another, though no actual Fleming titles were used between 1987 and 2005.
 

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The name is that of a modern architect whose works Ian Fleming loathed so much that he named the villain after him. See How Goldfinger nearly became Goldprick | Special Reports | Guardian Unlimited Books I doubt if 99.999999% of people got the joke, but the phrase is still memorable, like Octopussy or Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. The latter phrase is also a joke, and a rather unsuitable one for a children's story. It's old Brit armed services slang for a weekend pass. A 'chit' is Brit slang for an official pass or document ... go work the rest of it out for yourselves;).

Incidentally, I don't know how true this is, but it was widely reported at the time that 'Licence Revoked' was going to be the title of one of the Bond films until it was found that although the average Brit understood the title, the average American hadn't a clue what 'revoked' meant. So the title was changed to 'Licence to Kill'. And supposedly 'Tomorrow Never Dies' was originally going to be 'Tomorrow Never Lies' until a typist mistyped the title page of a draft and everyone preferred this new title to the old one.

With regard to 'Quantum of Solace', this could be one of the most misunderstood titles in cinema history. I'd guess that a significant proportion of the populace will think it means 'a lot of comfort' (assuming they know what 'solace' means - it isn't all that common a word in Brit english; I don't know about American english, but I'd guess it's the same). Given that most people only know the term 'quantum' from the everyday use of the phrase 'quantum leap' this would lead them into the exact reverse of the phrase's intended meaning.
 

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Sounds fishy to me. I can't imagine the "average American" doesn't know what revoke means because if nothing else that's what they do to your driver's license when you pick up too many tickets, and certainly plenty of Americans are familiar with that concept ;)
 

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I thought they were going to give Bond 22 the tile ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS! like the sitcom.
I don't mind Craig, but I object to how the character of James Bond is redefined, if not subverted. The underlying subtext imposed by Barbara Broccoli is backhanded, and once you stop to think about it, an insult.

M is a dreadful scold. Way over the top. I don't understand what audiences like about her.

At least they got rid of Martin Campbell.
 

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Your opinion and of course you're entitled to it... but I think you'll find most will disagree with that. It's arguably the only Bond film with any heart since the 60s.
 

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Why? Either they'll work the title into the song or they won't. There are several cases where this issue has popped up ("Dr. No", "From Russia with Love" and "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" having instrumental themes and "Octopussy" ["All Time High"] and "Casino Royale" ["You Know My Name"] having songs that don't incorporate the title)
 

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It's been confirmed at the press conference that there will once again be no Moneypenny or Q in this film.

In a way it's sad to see such traditional characters being excluded but on the other hand it's not necessarily beneficial to the film to include such characters based on tradition alone.

Michael Wilson did apparently say, however, that they could return in future films if the story actually requires them.
 

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To be fair Dr. No and From Russia with Love hadn't settled on the Bond paradigm that's been followed ever since Goldfinger. From Russia with Love did have a title song as well, it just wasn't used in the opening credits.
 

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Quantum of Solace, eh? It's not exactly the catchiest title ever; It sounds like the name of Superman's summer home (assuming the Fortress of Solitude is his winter home).

Oh well, as a wise young woman once said, "What's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."
 

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I despise the agenda Barbara Broccoli imposed on Casino Royale and I have contempt for the film. I'm aware that most people don't agree, and that's fine. If you want to sit there and be scolded for two and a half hours, it's no business of mine. To paraphrase Mary Poppins, a spoonful of action helps the poison go down.

However, I agree that it's the only Bond film with heart since On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969) and the only Bond film with any guts since License to Kill (1989). Character interaction is a huge learning curve for Barbara Broccoli and her stepbrother to negotiate, but it's no unique achievement in the movies, is it? What I disapprove of is the political correctness of that heart, and the degeneration of the Bond character.

Quantum of Solace is a good title, an interesting title, but I expect the producers will impose more misandry to sour the entertainment.
 

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To my mind, Casino Royale is much less politically correct than the Brosnan entries. Brosnan's Bond wasn't allowed to really outright use women and wasn't scolded for it. Craig's Bond, by contrast, clearly IS a womanizer, even if Vesper did get under his skin. And M is constantly after him for it, but he always gets the upper hand on her so I doubt we're really supposed to sympathize with her.
 

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Your comparison is a little confused. Bond is supposed to hang out with women in the fast lane who want to be hung out with. Consensual sex between grown-ups is what it's all about, Adam. Come on now. It should not be an issue for commentary. Judging Bond because he likes girls? This is where Barbara Broccoli's reasoning is fatally flawed, and hypocritical. Besides, there is a deeper degeneration of the character going on. Only the women from MI6 are morally or ethically responsible. That's what the film is really about: strong women correcting the misbehavior of dumb men. The males are all reprehensible, especially Bond, in Casino Royale. The whole thing operates on a level of the third grade. In making the series politically correct and feministic Barbara Broccoli has dumbed it down further than I would have thought possible.

It is best enjoyed by people who aren't analytical, or who haven't seen too many movies.
 

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I don't see this at all. From my recollection, there were only two women from MI6: M, as played by Judi Dench, is an uptight bitch who doesn't hesitate to use people people without a second thought. Vesper Lynd, despite her protests about decorum and protocol, ultimately betrays both Bond AND MI6 by selling out to Mr. White. Bond ultimately hunts down the woman he has fallen in love with to end her life because his sense of duty is so strong. Meanwhile, Moneypenny has been replaced by a man — Villiers — who is a far more versatile and intelligent secretary to M than she ever was. In fact, he arguably takes care of all the important nitty gritty while M stands around griping about Bond's impertinence.
I can speak only for myself, but I sympathized with many of the male characters — Bonds, Villiers, Felix Leiter specifically — far more than I ultimately sympathized with the female characters.
 

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Adam-- you may want to edit your post and put some spoiler tags around that last paragraph.
 

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Who are you calling names?
Calling posters ignorant is rude and inappropriate here, and I'm going to ask the moderator to remind you of your manners.

It is a carefully considered and well-grounded statement.
 

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