Blu-Ray Player w/1080P Component Video?

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  1. apn73

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    Just as the title of this thread says, are there any Blu-Ray players on the market that will send a 1080P signal out through a component video connection? Something other than Oppo and for something less than $300. Has HDMI become so popular that most manufactures won't even bother sending a HD signal through anything else?
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    Component cables cannot handle the bandwidth of a 1080p stream, so no you won't find any. And I believe the reason most manufacturers no longer support 1080i through component cables is from studio pressure due to the lack of encryption through component.
     
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    Thanks for the reply, but I'm not so sure that that is accurate. Check out Blue Jeans Cable's website, they make it sound like 1080p will go though component video cable just fine, and it makes perfect sense in my minds eye. There is nothing special or exotic about an HDMI cable over component video, which is what made me ask this question in the first place. HDMI was not created to benefit the consumer, but to benefit the producers and aid them with copy right infringement.
     
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    The issue isn't whether or not the cable can "handle" the bandwidth - the issue is copy protection. As long as the video signal remains in the digital domain, it can remain encrypted. Once it's converted to analog format (for transmission via component video cables) the encryption is lost. The last thing studios want is for an unencrypted, 1080p video signal to be readily available to any Tom, Dick, or Harry that wants to make a copy.

    Yes, it's a minor victory for the studios, when you consider how little real difference there is between 1080p and 1080i to our eyes, but as far as I understand it, that's why no 1080p over component.
     
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    This is how I understand it as well, but it seems like someone (studios?) is paying somebody else (manufacturers?) to not allow 1080p to move through anything but HDMI. All of the electronics seem to be programmed to not allow this to happen. For instance; I have a Pioneer DVD player that has both HDMI and component video outs, and the programming will not allow progressive upscaling to selected with component video, it's grayed out in the menu. It's the same way on my Dish receiver, has component video out, but programming will not allow 1080i to move unless you go through HDMI.
     
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    1080p CAN be sent over component. But the signal quality is only good up until about 12' for 1080p, and 24' for 1080i. This can be verified on Blue Jeans Cable's website. The only downside to using component is your DVD's cannot be upconverted over component. They can only be upconverted over HDMI.
    apn73, are you asking because your TV doesn't have HDMI?
     
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    Unless you have one of these - http://www.pcworld.com/article/108169/samsung_aims_high_with_new_dvd_player.html
    Owned one when it first came out. I heard there were only a couple of hundred that made it to the US with the capability. Had two sets of component outs (no HDMI or DVI) - one normal and one could upconvert to 720p or 1080i.
     
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    I'm asking because I'm ticked off that the studios are making the world convert over to a crappy cable design. All of the equipment that I have has the proper HDMI ins and outs, but HDMI has the 19 wire rats nest, is fragile and doesn't bend well, and they are prone to coming loose from their receptacles. They are not nearly as robust as component video which will transmit a 1080p bandwidth just fine, or at least within the distances that you pointed out and I'm well under those.
    I believe the video carrying portion of an HDMI cable is 25-28 AWG copper twister pair, and their is nothing exotic or special about that. A lot of us have a 1080i signal coming into our homes from satellite dishes, and that signal is coming through RG-6 RF cable, which has been carrying analog TV signals since TV was invented, and now it carrying 1080i digital signals. That's my whole point, there is no magic to transmitting a digital signal, both signals are going down the same cables. Back in the good ol days of DVD, 720 bandwidth was traveling through component video and no one cared, now that we have HD it is some of sort of sacred cow that has to be protected by the studios. Alright, I will now step down off of my soap box.
     
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    You left out that HDMI often has sync problems. In any case I agree with you.
    I don't think they're paying them. Rather, the manufacturers are not allowed to license the BR decoders unless they agree to prevent HD over analog. ("Plug the analog hole" was the phrase back when BR was raping HD-DVD and everyone bought in to being copy protected out of their content. (To think , back in the good old days that line would have gotten me a stern warning.) And I think it's a major victory by the studios, not a minor one.
     
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    Why not go from HDMI to DVI or VGA?
    VGA works great for 1080P and beyond, I use it almost daily.
    Of course audio needs to be handled separately.
    And what's wrong with HDMI? There are 90° connectors if you need, and good quality HDMI cables connect securely, and there are flexible options.
     
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    I've never had a problem with my HDMI cables or connections. You should check into the HDMI "port savers" Monoprice.com has. It's a short HDMI cable(10" I think) designed to take the strain off of the HDMI connection. I've never used them, but I saw them on their website.
     
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    must have not used baluns before. I have a masive amount of customers with distributed video systems over component. HDMI is the devil on long runs.
     
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    I don't know how the Dish receivers are, but my digital cable box has no problem sending 1080i programming over component. I used component for my HDTV watching, since tv doesn't broadcast in 1080p anyway. I changed over to HDMI because I couldn't get my Harmony remote to work quite right with the component connections (5-6 yr. old Harmony). As soon as my health will allow, I'll pull my stand out, and connect the HDMI from cable box to my Onkyo receiver, instead of straight to tv. Once I do that, all will be well again, mostly for my wife, and with the Harmony. :)
     
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    I do believe mine I bought does 1080p with componet wires it's a magnovox and got
    It at Walmart a few years ago for $80
     
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    Sell your BD player for millions of dollars. That would be the only BD ever created that can send out an analog 1080P, you are sitting on a goldmine man...
     
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    To the best of my knowledge, the Blu-ray spec does not allow 1080p over component. I'm pretty sure the best any BD player could ever do over component was 1080i.
     
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    Hi, lurker, and a new poster.
    We bought a Sony BDI-BX1 BluRay player 3yrs ago, and is being used daily. It has both component output, as well as HDMI. It's delivering the signal over a 20ft cable to a Mitsubishi HD8000 1080p projector.
    I'm in a bit of a jam. I've been searching for a streaming video device (or newer BluRay player) that includes wifi for netflicks and has component outputs.
    The ROKU box sux. 1080p over HDMI intermittently goes to snow, even with a 6ft cable. And I can't seem to find any similar product with component video out.
    I tried a Panasonic branded Bluray player, and a Samsung branded player. Both have intermittent 1080p sync issues with HDMI.
    Maybe someone here knows of a product like that?
    Thanks, Jeff
     
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    What HDMI are you using that has snow over 6 feet?. 20ft is no problem with a decent BJC, MP, Vanco or Amazon basics.
     
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    Alright, that's not the point of the request, but I'll entertain the question. The ROKU boxes have 1080p HDMI functionality issues with some legacy HDCP compatible devices because of the encryption encoder they chose to use in their price-sensitive devices. It's not an HDMI cable run length issue. My existing bluray player also delivers 1080p with a 25ft HDMI cable to the projector.
    I'm hoping to find a wifi enabled bluray player that was produced before the component connectors were discontinued in 2011.
    Do you have a recommendation for a wifi enabled bluray player with composite output?
     

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