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RobertR

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Originally Posted by cafink



But with literally no scientifically credible evidence for such a proposition, what reason does one have to believe in it any more than in any other fantastical claim?

The apparent reason to me is "sheer wishful thinking".
 

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That old guy made a living for 40 years tracking bigfeets and never found one? I wish I was able to be that unproductive at work and still get paid. It's not like he got one one step closer to curing cancer, he freaking looked for a bigfoot!

Thanks for the laugh. Maybe bigfoot is the host for the HIV virus and will bring a cure when he is found.


And why the hell is he called bigfoot? I want to go bigfootin'.
 

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Originally Posted by Jeff Gatie

I'd rather sit down to dinner with Jonas Salk, Freeman Dyson, Margaret Mead or Dian Fossey. Actual scientists doing actual science, not some hack out to defraud the world with pseudo-science. But that's just me.


Also, if I did have the unfortunate opportunity of meeting that charlatan, I wouldn't just say "I'm not buying any of this." I'd debate him on the facts and science, just like the conversation here. And I'll bet a years pay that it wouldn't be me slamming down my wine in frustration.


Charlatan.......unfortunate? This man invented the Bigfoot research center. He took thousands of phone calls of possible sightings, and investigated most of them. Of all the hard work, and long hours he put in trying to 'discover' a new species and working with the public and you label him a fraud?

He deserves your respect even if you don't believe in Bigfoot.
 

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Originally Posted by Bryan^H





Of all the hard work, and long hours he put in trying to 'discover' a new species and working with the public and you label him a fraud?
Working long and hard and being a fraud and charlatan are not mutually exclusive.
 

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Originally Posted by RobertR



Working long and hard and being a fraud and charlatan are not mutually exclusive.
Maybe not, but remember it was the general public calling HIM with reported sightings. He then investigated the locations on his coin. Put into effect all the crank and bogus calls that led to wild ape hunts. Closer to a saint than a charlatan I think.
 

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Here he is a couple years ago with his wife, and fellow Bigfoot researchers.


Looks like he has a dark ale in his cup.
 

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Originally Posted by Bryan^H



Maybe not, but remember it was the general public calling HIM with reported sightings. He then investigated the locations on his coin. Put into effect all the crank and bogus calls that led to wild ape hunts. Closer to a saint than a charlatan I think.

Correction, it wasn't on his coin. He defrauded a university out of research money, and after a five year grant, he found exactly NOTHING!!!! Yes, he was a fraud and a charlatan, and pictures of him and his wife sucking down beers with fellow "researchers" doesn't change that.
 

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Bryan,


Earlier, you emphasized the importance of having an open mind. But I'm not convinced that you really have one yourself. We know it's impossible to prove a negative (at least, in the same way that we could prove a creature does exist by collecting specimens, fossils, etc.), but how much evidence will it take to convince you that bigfoot probably doesn't exist? After spending millions upon millions of dollars over a period of decades, bigfoot researchers have turned up nothing, in terms of real, scientifically credible evidence. If that's not enough, how much more money and time do they have to spend looking for bigfoot without results before you concede that bigfoot probably isn't real?

Or, contrary to your previous claims, have you already made up your mind that he does exist, and will continue to look only for evidence that confirms the beliefs you already hold, ignoring the increasingly overwhelming amount of negative results?
 

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Originally Posted by cafink

Bryan,


Earlier, you emphasized the importance of having an open mind. But I'm not convinced that you really have one yourself. We know it's impossible to prove a negative (at least, in the same way that we could prove a creature does exist by collecting specimens, fossils, etc.), but how much evidence will it take to convince you that bigfoot probably doesn't exist? After spending millions upon millions of dollars over a period of decades, bigfoot researchers have turned up nothing, in terms of real, scientifically credible evidence. If that's not enough, how much more money and time do they have to spend looking for bigfoot without results before you concede that bigfoot probably isn't real?

Or, contrary to your previous claims, have you already made up your mind that he does exist, and will continue to look only for evidence that confirms the beliefs you already hold, ignoring the increasingly overwhelming amount of negative results?

I'm not convinced that there are anymore Bigfoot creatures. And, you're right I have absolutely nothing to base my reasoning on(other than the things I have mentioned). I think they did exist through the better half of the 20th century though, and is that just sheer "wishful thinking"? For the most part....yes it is.

There has always been something troubling about the most 'credible' piece of evidence. The famous footage by Patterson was filmed at a place called "Bluff Creek". It never even dawned on me until a few years ago. If it is a hoax it was brilliant, but the location he chose to film was discordant to his cause, but then again maybe it was intentional.
 

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I'm not convinced that there are anymore Bigfoot creatures.

You see, this is the part I really don't get. This isn't even a matter of believing in a myth in the face contrary evidence. It is just weirdly iconsistent.



It is the psuedo-reasonable part of the argument. You conceded that Bigfoot as described in folklore does not exist now, because there is no evidence for such a creature. But you continue to believe that Bigfoot existed until quite recently - despite the fact that there is no evidence to support that view, either. The truly ancient evidence, being the usual bone fragments, doesn't support the creature that people are talking about when they use the word "Bigfoot", either. (A garden variety hominid who resembles contemporary animals except in size is not "evidence" of the "half-human, half-ape" monster of myth, anymore than dinosaur skeletons are evidence that dragons flew over the skies of Dark Ages Europe.)


The actual evidence for Bigfoot being around 100 years ago is no better (or worse) than that for Bigfoot being around earlier this morning, so there is no actual ground for the difference in your beliefs about the two - except perhaps a desire to eat your cake and have it, too. By denying that Bigfoot exists today, you can claim you are following the evidence. But by claiming - with the same evidence - that Bigfoot existed in the recent past, you get to keep the outcome you want regardless of the evidence. But pushing the date back doesn't make it any more likely.

It is one thing to say, "I used to believe in Santa Claus when I was little boy, but now I know he isn't real." Is it quite another to say, "Santa Claus really existed when I was a little boy, but he has since been destroyed by the forces of modernism."


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Originally Posted by Bryan^H

So, that's it?

Since we agree that bigfoot probably doesn't exist today, and you've conceded that the proposition that he ever did is just wishful thinking, then yes, that about covers it, I think. You're no longer making any claim I particularly disagree with. I still think it's silly to believe in things for which there is no evidence, but you're free to believe whatever you like, of course.
 

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As repeatedly said in this thread, no one cares what you believe in. It's your claim that scientists were using scientific methods to prove Bigfooot exists which got you all the grief. Since you have finally admitted that claims of proper scientific research into the existence of Bigfoot are spurious at best, you can post your "wishful thinking" to your hearts content, with no rebuttal from us "non-believers." So yes, the thread is over. Still think scientists are the close minded ones?
 

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You make it sound as though I conceived Bigfoot in my mind, and doing everything in my power to make it real. As I have said many times before, I believe in Bigfoot because of A) the footprints B) The eyewitness sightings( many of them from credible people). The fact that I don't believe they exist currently is because as someone mentioned before, there would have to be large numbers of them to sustain their species. I think there were small numbers left 25-30 years ago and they just became extinct. Dealing with the subject matter, I think this makes the most sense.






Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino



You see, this is the part I really don't get. This isn't even a matter of believing in a myth in the face contrary evidence. It is just weirdly iconsistent.



It is the psuedo-reasonable part of the argument. You conceded that Bigfoot as described in folklore does not exist now, because there is no evidence for such a creature. But you continue to believe that Bigfoot existed until quite recently - despite the fact that there is no evidence to support that view, either. The truly ancient evidence, being the usual bone fragments, doesn't support the creature that people are talking about when they use the word "Bigfoot", either. (A garden variety hominid who resembles contemporary animals except in size is not "evidence" of the "half-human, half-ape" monster of myth, anymore than dinosaur skeletons are evidence that dragons flew over the skies of Dark Ages Europe.)
 

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Originally Posted by Jeff Gatie

As repeatedly said in this thread, no one cares what you believe in. It's your claim that scientists were using scientific methods to prove Bigfooot exists which got you all the grief. Since you have finally admitted that claims of proper scientific research into the existence of Bigfoot are spurious at best, you can post your "wishful thinking" to your hearts content, with no rebuttal from us "non-believers." So yes, the thread is over.

Still think scientists are the close minded ones?


Oh no you don't. Your not getting the last word on this. You don't care what I believe? Then why have you been hounding me through the duration of my posts to make me see the opposite? You said infalmatory things about my personal hero Peter Byrne(the words charlatan, and fraud still haunt me) and your responses to my easy going nature on the subject were combative(being kind).

There are a few thousand people that have witnessed Bigfoot in nature. Go ahead call them crazy.

California Bigfoot Encounter Brief Listings

Hoopa, California
1958. A woman and her daughter see a large and small Bigfoot on a hillside above Hoopa Valley just Northwest of Willow Creek.

August 3, 1963. A man and his boy see a BF leap over a 5 foot fence and run into the woods near Hoopa.

August 14, 1960. Bob Titmus sees the same 2 sets of BF tracks he saw a week before (see 64) on Mill Creek Ridge Road, 8 miles southeast of Hoopa.

Notice Creek
June 13, 1963. BF tracks 16 inches long are found crossing Notice Creek near Bluff Creek only 100 feet away from where 3 men were sleeping in a car.

1965 Indian road grader operator Dewey Haupe hears distant night whistles while bear hunting with Titmus, one whistle would cause a return whistle from opposite direction. Titmus tells Haupe it's BF.

Bluff Creek and Blue Creek Mountain Roads, logging roads

June 19, 1967 Dewey Haupe finds lg tracks around his road grader 8am on a Monday morning; tell friend Larry Omeg then phones Titmus from Ed Saunder's place.

Summer 1967 Jim McClarin begins carving his now famous "Willow Creek BF Statue." No specific date given, just summer.

August 1967. BF tracks 16 inches long are found for 3 miles on Bluff Creek Road going from East Fork to Notice Creek by Bud Ryerson; he notifies Bob Titmus.

August 1967 J. Crew and D. Haupe mention to Titmus a disturbance around the equipment staging area down near the bridge, vandals or BF?

August 1967. Bud Ryerson sees hundreds of 13 to 15 inch BF tracks on the road he is building on Blue Creek Mountain, west of Bluff Creek. Tractor parts are scattered all over the area; he notifies John Green, Bob Titmus and Al Hodgson. Green brings in tracking dogs, Jim McClarin, Rene Dahinden, S.C. Buttram and Dale Moffitt.

August 27/September Labor Day week1967 John Green and Rene Dahinden fly down to Bluff Creek in chartered Cessna 185 landing at Orleans airstrip; tracks are photographed. Al Hodgson and son Mike drive family station wagon to pick them up. Green tells Al Hodgsons to phone Patterson.

October 20, 1967. Bob Gimlin and Roger Patterson see and film motion pictures of a female BF just above Notice Creek between Onion Mountain, Bee Mountain and Fish Creek Butte. Her tracks measure 14½ inches long.

Bluff Creek, California
1958. Lawrence Omeg sees a Bigfoot outside his shack after work on a logging job. He quits his job and leaves the following day.

September, 1958. Bigfoot tracks are seen 4 different times on Bluff Creek Road, Titmus is notified.

October 1, 1958. Jerry Crew finds a quarter mile of BF tracks on Bluff Creek Road and makes casts.

October 12, 1958. Ray Kerr and Leslie Brezeale see a BF cross a 20' road in 2 strides and find tracks several miles south of where they are usually seen on Bluff Creek Road. Hired by Ray Wallace to track BF, they redouble their hunting effort but their dogs disappear a few days later and are never seen again. (The hunting dogs belonged to Ivan Marx)

1959. A husband and wife flying a private plane over Bluff Creek see and follow BF tracks until they pass over the BF making them.

Mid October, 1958. BF tracks are seen again in Bluff Creek.

October 23, 1958. BF tracks are seen on Bluff Creek Road once again.

October 28, 1958. 2 miles of 16" BF tracks are seen on Bluff Creek Road.

October 30, 1958. BF tracks are seen going down a hill from Bluff Creek Road.

November 2, 1958. Bob Titmus and Ed Patrick find BF tracks on a Bluff Creek Sandbar.

December 18. 1958. Betty Allen finds 6 miles of BF tracks on Bluff Creek Road, expressed fear in her articles.

August 16, 1959. Bob Titmus finds 300 yards of BF tracks along Bluff Creek Sandbar.

August 30, 1959. Bob Titmus finds more BF tracks at Bluff Creek Sandbar.

November 1, 1959. Bob Titmus finds more BF tracks at Bluff Creek Sandbar, notifies Tom Slick, Green & Dahinden.

November 2, 1959. Betty Allen finds BF tracks coming down a canyon and along Bluff Creek Road.

January 30, 1960. Betty Allen finds BF tracks around a shovel loader on Humboldt Fir logging road at Bluff Creek.

June 19, 1960. Dr. Charles Johnson and his family find BF tracks on both sides of the Klamath River a half mile west of Bluff Creek.

August 19, 1962. Skip Clark finds and casts Bigfoot tracks at Bluff Creek sandbar.

September 26, 1962. Bob Titmus finds miles of BF tracks on Bluff Creek Road and in the creek bottom itself.

June 22, 1963. Skip Clark finds and casts a 15 inch BF track on Bluff Creek sandbar.

1963. Thomas Sourwine says a 300 pound boulder was used to repeatedly hit road building equipment near Bluff Creek.

June 30, 1963. BF tracks 10 to 15 inches long are found and cast in the Bluff Creek area.

1963. Pat Graves follows BF tracks for 5 miles from Laird Meadow to Bluff Creek Road at Notice Creek. Sticks 1¼ in thick are found broken in the tracks.

1963. Dave Blake finds BF tracks where a barrel of diesel fuel was thrown off the road.

1963. BF tracks 15 inches long are found at Bluff Creek logging operations, with boxes of spikes thrown around and sticks of dynamite bitten into.

August, 1963. BF tracks are found on Bluff Creek Road at Notice Creek bridge.

October 1963. Al Hodgson finds a set of BF tracks a few hundred yards above the Notice Creek bridge at Bluff Creek sandbar. The sandbar was washed away in the 1964 flood.

July 1964. Scout Master Joe Christensen Sr., and Boy Scout Camp medic Dick Beathel found (a mile from the camp) 17 inch by 7 1/2 inch bare footprints in the mud and cast them. The stride was around five feet between imprints; five toes. Photo of casts were published in the Modesto Bee on July 16, 1964. The location was 7 miles northeast of Mariposa, Mariposa County, California

Summer 1964. Dave Blake often finds BF tracks at Laid Meadow at Blake and Tregoning Logging operation west of Bluff Creek. A culvert 4 feet in diameter and 20 feet long is thrown into the canyon and 450 pound barrels of diesel fuel are moved around.

August 21, 1964. Roger Patterson finds and casts 17 inch tracks with a 52 inch stride on Laird Meadow Road.

September, 1964. Samuel Brewer Jr. finds and casts a 15½ inch BF tracks with a 47 inch stride along Bluff Creek.

Fall, 1964 . Dave Blake sees BF tracks around his logging equipment every morning for a week. A trailer load of 18 inch culverts is overturned while men are working nearby.

1965. Jay Rowland finds BF tracks along Bluff Creek a short distance from Notice Creek.

July, 1965. Steve Sanders and 2 others sleeping the a tent awake to see a large finger or stick opening their tent flap. Their yells scare it off. Investigating the next day, they find BF tracks 17 inches long and 7 inches wide around their tent at Blue Lake near Bluff Creek.

1966. Richard Sides sees a BF squatting at Bluff Creek drinking water with cupped hands.

Fall, 1966. Jay Roland sees BF tracks on a road a Scorpion Creek in the Bluff Creek area.

October 25, 1966. Dan Mullens finds BF tracks and an unopened case of oil cans crushed on Notice Creek.

August, 1967. Several BF tracks are found and cast by a road crew on Onion Mountain, west of Bluff Creek. The tracks measure 13 and 15 inches long.

August, 1967 Al Hodgson see's Patterson's 9" track on Bluff Creek Sandbar; casts a 14" track

August 1967. Bud Ryerson sees hundreds of 13 to 15 inch BF tracks on the road he is building on Blue Creek Mountain, west of Bluff Creek. Tractor parts are scattered all over the area. Notifies John Green by company radio phone saying, "What you're looking for is here..."

August 15, 1967 Road grader operator Dewey Haupe arriving early to work discovers hour glass tracks near water tower, notifies Titmus.

September, 1967 Roger Patterson poured a plaster of paris cast of a left & right 9" child's track

November, 1967 - In remote area John Wenger of Summit City, found huge footprints showing only ball and five toes, no claws on the north shore of Shasta Lake. The tracks went across sand isthmus towards brush covered two acre island off shore two miles east of Shasta Dam. Wenger counted seven clear tracks. Barry Hennings of the Record Searchlight newspaper took casts and photographs; published them November 10, 1967.

June 1968. Steve Marlin and Bruce Cornwall find BF tracks between Bluff Creek and Fish Lake.

January 1969. Pat Graves sees BF tracks from a plane between Blue Creek Divide and Nikowitz Road.

1969. Peter Byrne, Brian Matthes and Steve Matthes find Bigfoot tracks along Bluff Creek. Byrne does exhaustive investigation of Patterson site in 1972, photos in B & W.

Late May, 1969. Dr. Bernard Northrup and a party of San Francisco Theological Seminary Students find over 1000 16" BF tracks in the Bluff Creek area. They also find torn, twisted bark stripped from the trees near the tracks in the sand. It may be that the individual who left the big 16" tracks after the summer 1967 at Bluff Creek was one of the survivors; and it may also be that this was the same individual whose track Jerry Crew first cast that became a media sensation.

August, 1969. The owner of the Bluff Creek Resort and a small cluster of fishing cabins, Ed Saunders found a line of 16-inch Bigfoot tracks in the sandbar at the mouth of Bull Creek in the Bluff Creek area. Bill Saunders, Ed's brother acted the mechanic and handyman there in and around the resort. Ed and his wife were a bit edgy about scaring off the public...

Orleans, California
Mike Burke, Buck Ferguson and Bill Mueller find BF tracks with a 5-foot stride beyond Twin Lakes Turnoff at Camp Creek near Orleans, California.

1960-1963. Benjamin Wilder sees a BF at night east of Orleans, California.

March 1960. Ivan Marx finds BF tracks near the lookout on Offield Mountain.

1952. A man sees a Bigfoot on a dirt road north of Orleans that comes out at the mouth of Bear Creek and goes through Bear Valley. After driving on, he later stops and gets out of the car. The BF comes toward him menacingly, then turns and stalks down the road, then suddenly charges back to attack the car as the man drives away. The BF holds onto the car for 200 yards before letting go.

Happy Camp, California
1886. Jack Dover and others see Bigfoot between Happy Camp and the Marble Mountains.

Scott's Valley, California
June 9, 1980. Dave Wilhelm and Ben Larson see a 12 foot Bigfoot in Scott's Valley. The following day they find BF tracks.

Yreka, California
Mid-1960's. Henry Dierkoph and 2 others see several sets of BF tracks near Yreka, California.

Siskiyou County, California
June, 1969. Bob Hardesty and Dick Carroll find BF tracks along the Klamath River in Siskiyou County.

Mt. Shasta, California
1956. Mrs. J. Pomray sees a BF run across Interstate 5 just north of Mt. Shasta.

Summer, 1962 Bonnie Feldman reports watching a female Bigfoot give birth in the heat of the afternoon by pine tree at the base of it's upturned roots. She watched from the porch of her trailer while camping on the Eastern most side of Mt. Shasta.

#61 1963. A man falls off a bluff near Mr. Shasta while deer hunting and is badly hurt. A 9 foot BF carries him 2 or 3 miles to safety.

July, 1973. A naturalist watches an 8 foot BF for 45 minutes in the Castle Craggie Mountains.

Unknown date at the 8000 ft level of Mt. Shasta two men said they had seen Bigfoot while drinking beer in the Bunny Flats Campground. They said Bigfoot had come out of the forest knocking off a branch at the 19 foot level. Bigfoot gave them a crystal and went back into the woods. Charlie Tom, a medicine man, said if you were in trouble in the woods to sing the Bigfoot song and BF would help you.

1980 Mt. Shasta hunters watched through their cross-hairs as a Bigfoot lumbered across an open field and disappeared into the woods. He appeared to be 8 ft tall, weighing nearly 800 lbs.

1970 Bigfoot is sighted by vacationers crossing the road late at night near Mt. Shasta.

1986 Mt. Shasta a team of naturalists report seeing a Bigfoot cut across a field of berries through a thorny thicket at day break.

1987 Obrien Campgrounds near Mt. Shasta Lake Bigfoot wanders through the area oblivious to a raucous volley ball game being played by retired fire fighters.

August 10, 1962. Joseph Wattenbarger sees a BF in the lava beds 30 miles east of McCloud which is near Mt. Shasta base.

Willow Creek, California
1967. Russell Summerville sees a 9 foot BF walk 50 feet along Highway 299 one half mile west of Willow Creek and then go into the woods.

Mike Fordon, while sleeping in his Dodge van at Gray's Falls Campground wakes up at about midnight because a BF is kicking his tires and rocking his van violently. Mike sees the BF's hairy chest, chin and hand through the van's windows. The 8 foot BF continues to harass the van for 2 hours, until Mike Blows the horn.

1934. Dave Zebo follows a set of BF tracks up Weaver Bally Mountain.

1936 Dave Zebo sees BF tracks on Mt. Bally heading over the mountain.

Salyer, California
July 11, 1968. A BF walks past a family camping by the Trinity River near Salyer.

Weaverville, Trinity County, California
1966 Larry Browning sees a BF near his campsite north of Weaverville in the Trinity Alps.

April 6, 1968. After 2 more visits to the same campsite with no luck seeing another BF, Larry Browning sees a BF wading the South Fork of the Salmon River. The next day, a female BF follows him for a half hour on a hike, then charges him.

April 8, 1968 At the same campground, Mike Melton sees a BF leaning over the river to get a drink of water.

April 2, 1966. Nick Campbell sees a Bigfoot searching through the trash cans at a campsite north of Weaverville in the Trinity Alps. The next day, he sees the BF again 3 miles west of camp and spends a half hour playing hide and seek with it. Several other campers see the same Bigfoot. It raids the trash can two more nights and is seen one more time.

July 1969. Don Ballard and a companion riding horseback see a BF in the Trinity Alps near Trinity Center.

1958. While driving on Highway 299 east of Weaverville, 2 doctors see a Bf cross the highway at night.

Redding, California
October 8, 1972. Randy Norton and Steve Gillespie see a BF cross Clear Creek at the Placer Street Bridge near Redding.

Round Mountain, California (South of Mt. Shasta)
January 6, 1971. Bigfoot tracks 18 inches long and 7 inches wide are found in the yard of a home on Fenders Ferry Road at Round Mountain.

1947. Mr. and Mrs. Russ Tribble see two Bigfoot south of Fall River Mills and also find their tracks.

Hyampom, California
April, 1963. Bob Titmus finds and casts 3 sets of tracks near Hyampom.

May, 1963. Sylvester McCoy finds BF tracks near Hyampom.

April, 1970. Buzz McLaughlin see a 9 foot Bigfoot at Manzanita Ranch School, Hyampom.

Fall, 1963. A man sees Bigfoot tracks heading south of the Hyampom area.

Wildwood, California
July 4, 1969. Eldon Brackett see a 7½ foot Bigfoot with 16½ inch tracks and a 4 foot stride north of Wildwood.

January 1966. Bob Kelly and Archie Bradshaw see a Bigfoot peering into their cabin window. Bob fires his shotgun at the Bigfoot and thinks he hits it. They find 18 inch tracks in the leading into Hayfork Creek from Wildwood.

June, 1969. Ben Foster and several others see a 6 foot Bigfoot fighting with dogs at the Wildwood Inn.

May 14, 1970. Archie Buckley sees a 7 foot Bigfoot with 15 inch tracks at Stuart Gap, south of Wildwood.

Platina, California
Winter, 1966. After a 2 day absence from their house 2 miles west of Platina, Mr. and Mrs. Hampton find their door broken off at the hinges. They find 18 inch Bigfoot tracks in the snow.

Saddle Camp, California (Yolla Bolla)
August 1964. A man finds 12 inch and 14 inch BF tracks high up the north side of Low Gap in the north Yolla Bolla near Saddle Camp. The tracks are in 3 different places several miles apart.

July 14, 1969. George Haas and John Dana find ¼-mile of Bigfoot tracks on a trail at West Low Gap in the Yolla Bolla Mountains going to the East Fork of the South Fork of the Trinity River. The tracks are 16 inches long and the stride is 3 feet.

Covelo, California
1961. Bob Titmus sees tracks of several different Bigfeet northeast of Covelo.

November, 1962. Bob Titmus sees tracks of several Bigfeet northeast of Covelo again.

Fort Bragg, California
June, 1962. Robert Hatfield gets up to investigate barking dogs at his house in Fort Bragg and sees the head and shoulders of a Bigfoot above a 6 foot fence. He returns to the house to tell Bud Jensen, but when they return, it is gone. Bud goes back for his gun while Robert rounds the corner of the porch and walk right into the Bigfoot. He was knocked to the ground and scrambled to the house on his hands and knees. Bud sees the middle of the Bigfoot go by the window and tries to close the door, but the Bigfoot holds it open! Shotgun in hand, Bus says "let it in and I'll get it, " but the Bigfoot lets go of the door and walks away. A muddy hand print on the door is 11½ inches long, although the fingers are quite stubby.

l977 JS reports hearing dogs chasing a bipedal creature through the woods along Little Lake Road and the discovery of other animals found disemboweled.

Oroville, Central California
Summer, 1969. Ken Coon finds and photographs Bigfoot tracks near Oroville.

July, 1969. Homer Stickley see a Bigfoot in his yard in rural Oroville.

July 17, 1969. Charles and Kevin Jackson see an 8 foot female Bigfoot by an outhouse while burning rabbit entrails in their backyard on Cherokee Road a few miles south of Oroville.

February 28, 1963. Lennart Strand and Alden Hoover see a 10-foot Bigfoot from a plane near Sonora, between Confidence and Cherokee Valley Road. They take color photographs, but the pictures turn out blurry.

Summer, 1969. A man sees a Bigfoot run across the Feather River Highway near Oroville.

September 3, 1975. Mark Karr drives his car into a tree to avoid hitting a 7 ft Bigfoot near Oroville.

October 31, 1969. Wes Strang sees a Bigfoot outside his home near Oroville.

April 16, 1970. Homer Stickley finds 11 inch Bigfoot tracks near Oroville.

January, 1970. Ken Coon finds Bigfoot tracks 15 inches long and 9 inches wide near Oroville.

Fall, 1969. Ron Sanders sees 2 Bigfoot turning over rocks in French Creek across the reservoir from Oroville and eating something.

On the Feather River report:
October, 1969. Charles Mauldin sees a Bigfoot running on an abandoned road above the Middle Fork of the Feather River.

Stirling City, California
April 16, 1969. Mr. and Mrs. Robert Behme see a Bigfoot limp across the road between Paradise and Stirling City.

Twain, California
July, 1969. A teenage boy and 2 girls see a Bigfoot crouched in the middle of the road while driving home from a movie in Twain.

July, 1969. Lester Orlinger swerves to miss a Bigfoot in the middle of the road near Twain while coming from Quincy.

Mill Valley, California
March 23, 1976. Police patrolman Dan Murphy and Ed Johnson see a large upright Bigfoot climb an 8 foot wall in Mill Valley. The next day they find a freshly killed deer on the same spot.

Strawberry, California
March, 1963. Mr. and Mrs. Campbell see a Bigfoot while hiking on their honeymoon at the Jack and Jill Ski Lodge in Strawberry. The owners of the lodge had seen the Bigfoot previously.

December, 1963. The Deputy Sheriff from Pinecrest sees hundreds of 15 inch Bigfoot tracks with a 5 foot stride in an alpine meadow 2 miles northwest of Pinecrest and the same distance from Strawberry.

Yosemite, California
January 6, 1969. Robert James Jr. and Larry Larwick buzz within 50 feet of a 12 foot Bigfoot with 20 inch tracks in the plane north of Yosemite Park. They take pictures of the Bigfoot.

May 30, 1979. Bill Iffttiger sees a 8 foot Bigfoot dash across US 395 near Bridgeport.

Mammoth Mountain California
July 15, 1970. A Deputy Sheriff sees 18 inch Bigfoot tracks at 8500 feet elevation near a lake 8 miles north of Mammoth.

September 1, 1971. A Sheriff's Lieutenant sees an 8 foot Bigfoot southeast of Mammoth on a road at the 10,000 foot altitude level.

Unknown City, Hwy 101 location
January 1973. A truck driver hits a 7 foot BF on US 101. The front of the logging truck is badly damaged, no report on the condition of the BF.

Fall, 1958. Editor Andrew Genzoli and the senior staff photographer of the Times-Standard see Bigfoot tracks and droppings of monumental proportions like those of a "2 ton bear with chronic constipation."
 

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Get over it Bryan. The fact remains that I couldn't care less about what you believe. You posted pseudoscience as legitimate science, and charlatans as legitimate scientists. I called you on it. Just like anyone who listed Charles Dawson ("discoverer" of the Piltdown Man), or George Hull ("discoverer of the Cardiff Giant) as a hero or role model would be called out for their checkered or questionable past. And I'm not the only one who called Peter Byrne a "fraud," many of his fellow "researchers" agree with me:



With all the fame has come criticism. For instance, Grover Krantz, a Bigfoot believer who teaches anthropology at Washington State University, argues that Byrne is "a sham, a fake." Krantz takes issue mainly with Byrne's opposition to killing, which evolved after decades of watching bumbling tourists murder Nepalese tigers. "I argue for humane treatment too," says Krantz. "But in order to attain protection for the Sasquatch, we have to prove they exist. And Peter knows that the only way we can do that is by bringing in a body." John Green, a retired Canadian journalist who has written several books on Bigfoot, is even more critical. "Peter Byrne is a fraud," Green says. "He tells the public that Sasquatch is near human because that's what they like to hear."

So even Bigfoot believers don't believe in this guy. Not a very good group to ask for an opinion, but they are YOUR group, not mine. The man's a fraud, and flash posting a list of "sightings" which have no scientific validation doesn't change that fact. Stick to your "wishful thnking," unless (as I suspect) you really do lament the collapse of the thread and are now posting flame bait in order to keep it going.
 

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Oh and Bryan, if your "they died out in the 70's" theory is true, how do you explain the following? Are these not "legitimate" sightings by "credible" people? If not, what makes them different from your "witnesses" you list above?


Reports posted since April 1, 2011

Reports posted since March 1, 2011

Reports posted since February 1, 2011

 

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I didn't see anyone mention the guy who got kidnapped in his sleeping bag by a BF and spent several days living with a BF family. Was this guy discredited?
 

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Originally Posted by Bryan^H

There are a few thousand people that have witnessed Bigfoot in nature. Go ahead call them crazy.

I don't think they're crazy, for the most part. As I've already said, most of those "sightings" are probably either deliberate frauds/hoaxes, or innocent cases of mistaken identity by honest people. There's a famous quotation I like which says, "the plural of anecdote is not data," and I think it's appropriate here. Anecdotes are a good place to begin an investigation--they tell us that something is going on that might be worth investigating. But you cannot draw a conclusion from anecdotes. Especially when so many of them basically amount to "a guy saw some tracks he didn't recognize." A scientific, rational investigation requires something much more substantial before the bigfoot hypothesis can be taken seriously as a scientific proposition.
 

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