Big Love Season 4 (Jan 10)

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  1. mattCR

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    Promos are already out.



    I'm looking forward to it!
     
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    Wow, laying on 'the Creation of Man' imagery pretty heavily. I like it though since we all know Bill is the next true prophet. I can't wait for next season.
     
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    Just a gentle reminder that Big Love season 4 starts tonight!
     
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    I watched it, it was Ok but to be honest , its one of the long runing shows that I'm starting to lose interest in. Last Year it was Rescue Me tht lost me, this year I'm finding I have no interest in continuing with the series, Doll house and FlashForward has been others that I might not pick up. In the case of Big Love maybe the show goes thru too long a layoff. we'll see after next week...
     
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    This show has some of the most misleading previews ever. I always keep that in mind. Good play for the season opener. Now we have to see where it goes.

    As to the thoughts above... Well, since Dollhouse is over this season, it's not like you have to keep watching long..
     
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    How far is the casino from their house(s)? It seems like Barb and Margene can just zip on over to the casino in lickity split.
     
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    It's in Idaho.. they advertise "85 minutes north" on TV, which is about right given the speed limit.
     
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    That commute would kills me on a daily basis, but if there's a lot of money at the end of the rainbow, I guess I could get used to the commute.
     
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    They should change the name of the show to "Big Delusions". This week's episode is really getting into some outlandish subplots that don't really make sense.
     
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    Yeah...I'm beginning to get that feeling the show has jumped. Ah well, it was a good run...
     
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    I really dislike everything to do with Bill's plan to run for office. It makes absolutely NO sense at all, in light of all that we know about season 1/2/3.. I mean, talk about a way for skeletons to fall out of the closet every which way.
     
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    Sometimes you get good idea after all the drugs are passed around the writing table, but sometimes after everyone is toked, someone says, "Hey, wouldn't be it funny if..." and everyone else is too toked to say.. "Um, no." They just keep adding, "And then he..." This is starting to feel a little like that. Like MattCR said, that running for office thread is the biggest offender. I still hold out hope for the show, but I'm not in denial that it's hope.
     
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    Offended. I have absolutely nothing else to really say here. I loved the first three seasons of this show, but they have done everything imaginable to toss the show I really cared about completely under the bus.

    Bill has gone from a man of principle who lived by different rules then others to a complete scumbag basically. Whatever went on in the writing room this year, it seems as though no one paid attention to previous years very well.

    Bill decides to run for office (which has now changed in between episodes, and he's not running for US HR, he's running for State Senator, which makes you wonder WTF go to DC and get an endorsement for anything for a state level race) .. part of his whole point is to win so he can 'come out' as a polygamist practicing the principle.

    Meanwhile, in the first real poltiical move he has to make, he throws his partner under the bus... for being a polygamist. Which makes him coming out later even more problematic and would doom any political career (talk about a quick way to be scene as a phony/hypocrite)

    The entire election plot makes NO NO NO sense, it is a complete insult to every viewer who has watched this show through the first three seasons.
    Tonights episode took on all the subplots I not only hate, but they've gone even farther with them painting them into a crazy corner. His opponent prepares to reveal him as a polygamist (Bill's ultimate objective anyway) and Bill's strategy undercuts everything. It would have been far more like Bill to look at all of these signs against him and realize there is something very wrong here and stop.

    In fact, in Season 3, Bill's BIL/SIL had pretty much pointed this out, and that should his secret be revealed, they'd lobby to take the children out of an "unfit home". And now Bill doesn't care about that? "Oh, it's only a misdemeanor and a fine" yes, true.. but it's also a CPS violation and you lose your kids, which is why in Season 2, Bill had to make sure the nosy neighbors who became friends were kept off guard from reporting because "they had a newborn and young children" they didn't want to get stripped of.

    This show has completely abandoned it's own rules. I admit, I still like the cast. But if it wants to play by the seat of it's pants and ignore past history of characters and just insert wild storylines then what an incredible waste of talent and time.


    I would have never thought I'd say this at the beginning of the season, but: I'm out. I'll catch up later, maybe.. I'll see what others say. But this may be one of the greatest "crash and burn" of any show I can ever remember.
     
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    One small comment. It makes sense to me.that a person running for state office would want the endorsement of a federal representative of that state. It's all about getting people the public already accepted to say you're also worthy of their support. The more well-known and popular that person is, the better.
     
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    This show has basically forgotton about the kids. The Younger Daughter was replaced without much fanfare, she's basically dissapeared into the woodwork. It's not surprise the girl that plays the oldest daughter wants to leave for a movie career , even if it's starring in fodder like "Dear John", she basically gets nothing in this series to do. What happened to Margene's Kids with her new career you never see them. That's the problem with the show the emphesis used to be on Family, the Third season was all about Bill almost losing his Family but at least attempting to take a 4th wife because in his mind that was going to hold them together. But at the end of the season it became more about making money for them, the casino, Margene's business. The Show has lost what it used to have to make us care about these characters. Now everyone is a scumbag of sorts, the compund people, Alvy and his lot were always painted that way, now I can almost feel more sorry for Alby than Bill or any of his clan, and it should'nt be that way.
     
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    I disagree. Bill is the same pious, self-righteous character he has always been. I think what has happened with Big Love is that each season Bill has taken greater and greater risks to "protect" his family and give them the freedom to practice their religion. In each case Bill has ultimately been successful, and with the casino he is now more protected from the moral judgements of his customers than when he simply owned a home store.

    But Bill is, and always has been, a sanctimonious zealot. As such he takes great risks, often at the expense of the people he loves, blinded to the pain that his testimonies often cause. But I don't see his desire to shape the political process any differently than his desire to be out from under Roman's thumb, or to own a casino. His behavior has been consistent in that regard.

    And ultimately, I believe this show is headed to the same place it was always headed. Bill will ultimately take one risk too many in the "real world," and due to the fallout will have nowhere else to turn but Juniper Creek, where he will finally accept that it is his role to be prophet.
     
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    I thought there were going to be 10 episodes this season, same as Season 3. But looking at HBO's website and also IMDB it seems this season is cut down to 9 episodes. Can anyone confirm this? Is the last one a 2 hour episode?
     
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    Big Love's writers have decided they will never win an Emmy so now they now have their sights on a Razzie.
     
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    See, I don't know about that. I've never taken him as a fundamentalist jerk that you seem to feel he is. In fact, I thought that was the whole thing, that Bill was finding "a new way". He had left the compound. In his situation, women have a voice in the ministry, and they had open meetings of all four in the first two seasons. A lot of those were focused around growing their family and how the children reacted to the situation.


    Bill was presented as someone who believed in "The Principle" but with none of the creepy subjugation that went on at the Compound which is why they talked ill of it. Those seasons were about him escaping his roots, providing his family a normal life, and living his faith.
    Season 3 went a direction where the pressure to grow led him to chase Ana, but again, unlike Roman/etc the offer was made, etc. but she wasn't forced or obligated, and she left. The big sin of S3 was Nikki using birth control and Ben coming to terms with the fact he loved Margine. Season 3 was great conflict as Margine and Nikki grew into their roles. Bill protected his friends, even brother/mother. He viewed himself as "The great protector" in a way.

    While Bill self-justifies "this will allow us to come out of the closet" this season has really been about Bill being a lot about personal vanity; he's cashed in friends, beliefs, etc. thrown them all under the bus for his political aspirations. And it makes no sense to me in relation to the past few seasons.

    I'm just incredibly dissappointed with all the subplots this year. From Bill's complete turn of character to the semi-abduction of a meth runner baby. It just isn't very interesting to me.
     
  20. Tim Gerdes

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    On the one hand, I believe the show has gone to great lengths not to dismiss the concept of polygamy out of hand, but I also believe it has never shied away from it's darker side. Not just with the Juniper Creek characters, and things like the joy book, but how even in Bill's family he is a patriarch. His wives can influence him, but ultimately they're still subjugated. While not overt with condemnation, I believe the show continually demonstrates that the principle itself, and Bill's adherence to it are incredibly corrupting.

    That's, to me anyway, part of the point of Bill's run for office. As normal as the Hendricksons believe they are, their religious views are not mainstream. Every time they come up against adversity, Bill seems to double down on risk. This time he's sure that political office is the way to acceptance. Of course he's wrong, but the point isn't that his plan can or cannot work, it's that he believe his plan is divinely inspired by God.

    You mention Ana from last season. To me that is just another example of Bill's religious devotion run amuck. His hormones and the thrill of the chase were obscured to him, but not to the audience, by his believe that he'd received testimony to take another wife.

    And as reckless as the risk for exposure is from running for political office, in his obsession with the casino, and security for his family, he ran up against Hollis Greene, which selfishly put his family in much greater danger that being outed publicly, especially when you consider that two of his marriages are not legal and likely not prosecutable. The Greenes seemed more likely to cause physical harm.

    I think from the very beginning Bill's behavior has been driven by personal vanity. I agree that he sees himself as his family's protector but he has also used and abused virtually every relationship he's in to further that agenda. Whether expanding Home Plus, vying for a seat on the UEB, exposing the Morman church, working to have Roman indicted, it's always been about what Bill wants.

    Personally, if there's anything about the fourth season I believe is lacking, it's the presence of Harry Dean Stanton's Roman Grant. Sure we've seen him, but corpses and ghosts don't count.

    I think it was a mistake to kill his character off, as Roman remained a compelling foil for Bill. Ultimately, having the series culminate in Bill's direct challenge to Roman's authority over Juniper Creek would have made for a better arc. I think that's where the show is headed anyway, and it would have made for better drama that way.
     

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