Best floorstanding speaker in the 2-3K range

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  1. Yogi

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    I am looking for a speaker in the 2-3K range with the following attributes:

    1) Warm laid back musical tone. Will be used solely for music.
    2) About 90db/w/m sensitivity and nominal 6-8 ohm impedance.
    3) Should be bi-ampable.
    4) Should have good bass down to at least 40Hz (-3db point), because I don't plan on using a sub.

    I plan on biamping these speakers with a Conrad-Johnson MV-55 tube amp and a Proceed Amp2 hooked to a Conrad-Johnson PV14L tube preamp. The source would be a tube CD player that I havent yet decided on.

    Thanks in advance for the suggestions.
     
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  3. John Garcia

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    I think these will fit your requirements rather well, and even with all the potential upgrades, will be under your budget:

    http://www.gr-research.com/performer/av3.htm

    The only thing you will not have is bi-amp capability. -3dB @ 40Hz, very musical, 91dB sensitivity...

    I have heard the AV1s, and I have the AV2s on the way for audition, I have not heard the AV3s. They use a soft dome tweeter, so they are quite warm and smooth. Absolutely some of the best midrange I have ever heard. The clarity and natural sound is stunning. Pay no mind to price, these things sound amazing. The owner recommends tube amps with all of his speakers. For info, write or call them, the owner is very good about responding and extremely helpful and knowledgeable.
     
  4. Jason.Soko

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    Totem Acoustics. Forests are everything you are looking for, except with a senstivity of around 87
     
  5. Michael R Price

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    Yogi, please give consideration to custom/DIY type speakers. (I'm thinking of GR's design with the Eton woofers and the ribbon tweeter...)

    How loud do you want them to go? That's probably an important consideration. And it might also point you towards a 3-way design.

    You know, if you have all tubed equipment with "warm" sounding distortion, then a speaker with an intentionally rolled off response might sound a little dull. I would personally be looking for something with a reasonably neutral tone, and low distortion/high output capability so it doesn't sound bright when pushed.
     
  6. Yogi

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    The reason I didn't specify planars is because they might pose a difficult load for the tube amp. Also planars have a very narrow sweet spot, IMHO (although I must admit it is very sweet).

    Thank you Jason, I'll check out Totems.

    Keep the suggestions coming guys.

    Also guys I think you are right that with all the tube gear in the chain warm speakers might be a little too dull. So please also suggest speakers in the neutral category.



    Regards,
     
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    John,

    The great thing about the GR speakers is that it's very easy to get 2 sets of binding posts if that's what you want. I just have to drill a couple of extra holes! [​IMG]
     
  8. JamesCB

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    The perfect speaker for you to consider:

    Phase Technology PC 9.1

    Phase Tech manufactures a very, very natural sounding and musical speaker. Many people who have heard these will agree. Never harsh. Non fatiguing. 91db sensitivity. -3db at 32hz. Biampable.

    Smoothest bass I have ever had from a floorstander. Very detailed sound in all aspects. Many who have heard my system say how uncanny it is that each instrument is seperate from the other.

    I implore you to check out their web site: www.phasetech.com and see if there is a dealer near you. You WILL NOT be dissapointed. Especially since your requirements will be filled by these perfectly. Definitely put these on your list to audition.

    Just a note: this is the company that INVENTED the soft dome tweeter along with a few other notable designs.
     
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    I was very impressed with the Motzarts. Somewhat small for a floorstander, but the sound is definitely not small. Wonderful midrange.

    I have not heard the Grand Piano's, but I have always been a fan of Sonus.

    I would also recommend giving any of these guys a listen:

    http://www.thielaudio.com/index.html

     
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    I have Mozarts in my main HT setup but the thing is I want something thats bi-ampable so I can use Proceed to power the bass driver so I can get the rock hard bass that I so much like along with the magical mid and upper range from the MV-55. I dont think Sonus Fabers are bi-ampable either.

    I have to try auditioning Theils, Proac and Phase tech speakers.
     
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    deleted as my recommendation has an impedence of 4 ohms.
     
  14. Michael R Price

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    Diluceo! That's the name I was looking for (GR's ribbon MTM). It's a pretty small ribbon so the sweet spot wouldn't be *that* bad.

    Or, Yogi, you could get Adire HE12's, and use only the tube amp. The midrange probably isn't so "refined" (it is a 12 inch PA woofer, after all :b), but I bet it would sound great anyway. Saurav likes them.

    Biamp setup costs more but it lets you get away with (somewhat) low efficiency. I personally would prefer a single small amp and high efficiency speakers, but I'm stuck with 281s.
     
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    The VMPS RM2 would be a pretty good choice.

    http://www.vmpseurope.com/e/p-rm.htm (scroll down to bottom)

    neo ribbon mids and spiral ribbon tweeters (91 db), and a bi-ampable 12" woofer (22hz).
     
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    Diluceo is not a floorstander, and it's -3 is 55Hz. It is also 4 Ohms.
     
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    I think the ProAc suggestion would be an excellent match with your system. Studio 125, D15 or Response 2.5 would all be very nice, not sure if 2.5 falls in budget range new however.

    Another speaker possibility would be the Totem Forest, although personally I would favor ProAc over Totem. The Forest is known to like power however, whereas the ProAc's are very happy with tubes. Nevermind just noticed the Forest's were already mentioned

    Another great choice would be the Living Voice Auditorium loudspeaker. This one mught be the most intriguing as I have never heard anything but the highest praise for their speakers.

    Von-Schweikert VR-2's would be another good possibility.

    And lastly I have to throw out the JM Reynaud range. His speakers are 4 ohm loads, but extremely easy to drive because the impedance stays very flat. Here is a quote on the Audiogon forum where someone asks for spakers with great depth layering abilities.
     
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    Everybody's throwing out these fancy speaker brands, so let me open up a can of worms with some good, old, NHT T5's. For $2500, you get some very detailed, neautral sounding speakers, which might fit well with your already warm equip. Also, you get 2 12" subs to boot, and separate hardware (amp/crossover) to run the subs. These work very well for music and you can adjust the sub action however you like (to fit your room, music, etc.). Heck, the M5's by themselves would fit your needs. Here's a link:

    http://www.nhthifi.com/home_productI...p?ProductID=44
     
  20. Michael R Price

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    John, that is true; however, it is a custom built speaker so it should not be a problem to make it floorstanding and lower the bass cutoff. Additionally, Yogi will be bi-amping so the impedance and efficiency of the bass driver is less important. The ribbon tweeter is an 8 ohm resistive load and has 95db efficiency - perhaps the "padding down" in the crossover could be reduced so it would be even better for a tube amp. The designer did not publish the crossover design so I don't know if this is possible without changing the tone otherwise. (I'm also under the impression that it uses a serious tweeter, although a couple people think it sounded too dull, much to the disagreement of the designer who paid $300 apiece for them.)

    Then there's always the option of saying "screw it" and buying Klipsch RF-7s. [​IMG] (I haven't heard them -only a lower model - but I'm pretty confident that they are very good if you don't feed them distorted crap.)
     

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