Anyone gone mirrorless? (1 Viewer)

[andrew markworthy]

the Canon and Nikon systems suck. Try a Nex. Trust me.

I presume you mean for mirrorless systems? I would take issue with an assumption of Sony's inherent superiority in DSLRs over e.g. Canon!
However, enough of that, as I've no urge to debate the relative merits of different systems in depth. Far more important than the camera is the picture taken and I meant to say a few days ago - nice pictures.

 

[Sam Posten]

Any camera can take a nice picture. There are master's who make masterpieces with Holga's. But if you are going to spend $600 on a brick of electronics you don't want it hampering your flow.
The Nikon 1 system is a UI disaster and it's tiny sensor is a poor platform for the future. The Canons seem to be following Nikon in this direction rather than the winning strategy of NEX and micro 4/3rds.
And yes, reverse the above when it comes to DSLRs

 

[Scott Merryfield]

The Canon mirrorless "M" series camera does use a larger 18MP APS-C sensor similar to what is in its latest crop body dSLRs, but has other issues. Specifically, a lack of manual controls, no viewfinder, no built-in flash, and a high price. If they eventually come out with a more advanced body, that may solve some of these issues (but not the price, of course). Nikon, on the other hand, with its tiny sensor will never be more than an advanced point & shoot.
Sony and Olympus do seem to have the best of these types of cameras right now. The downside there, though, is that any Nikon or Canon dSLR owner will need to invest in another set of lenses. Of course, putting a large dSLR lens on a small mirrorless camera body makes it a lot less compact and portable, defeating the main purpose of such a camera anyway.

 

[Sam Posten]

The M is APS-C, same as the NEX but remember the mounts are optimized differently....
http://onemansblog.com/2009/12/17/camera-reviews-canon-digital-rebel-t1i-slr-and-canon-powershot-g11/
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/07/16/sensor-size-a-relative-size-comparison-tool-for-camera-sensors/

 

[Sam Posten]

NOT $3k!

Please don't let it be $3000
Please don't let it be $3000
Please don't let it be $3000
Please don't let it be $3000
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/08/17/sony-rumored-to-be-working-on-a-full-frame-mirrorless-nex-camera/

$2400.
WRAAAAAAAA! =(
http://gizmodo.com/5941827/leaked-sony-rx1-fits-a-dslr-in-your-pocket

 

[Scott Merryfield]

NOT $3k!
$2400.
WRAAAAAAAA! =(
http://gizmodo.com/5941827/leaked-sony-rx1-fits-a-dslr-in-your-pocket

The article said $2,800, not $2,400.

 

[Sam Posten]

Think I read it was $400 for the lens

 

[DavidJ]

Can we really call a mirrorless design a D-SLR?

 

[Scott Merryfield]

Can we really call a mirrorless design a D-SLR?

I do not think anyone did. It appears the in vogue name used in the press is mirrorless ILC (for Interchangeable Lens Camera).

 

[Sam Posten]

I prefer the term EVIL. Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens =)

 

[Scott Merryfield]

EVIL is certainly a much cooler name.

 

[DavidJ]

I do not think anyone did. It appears the in vogue name used in the press is mirrorless ILC (for Interchangeable Lens Camera).

Maybe I misread the article. It was late.

 

[DavidJ]

I'd buy an EVIL camera.

 

[Sam Posten]

Nex 6 official:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/12/Sony-announces-NEX-6-16MP-enthusiast-mirrorless-camera-with-Wi-Fi
Body only for $850 and with a kit for $999. Looks like I sold my NEX-7 just in time!
The RX1 is official. Full Frame, fixed 35mm f2.0 lens, $2800 freaking dollars.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/12/Sony-reveals-cyber-shot-dsc-rx1-24mp-full-frame-fixed-carl-zeiss-35mm-f2-lens-compact
Previews:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx1/
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-alpha-nex-6/
http://www.adorama.com/alc/0013880/news/Sony-NEX-6-First-Look
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/tag/nex-6/

 

[Sam Posten]

Sgnl demonstration:

Official trailer:

Placed my pre-order with Amazon. $1.99 savings!
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Compact-Interchangeable-Digital-16-50mm/dp/B0096W1OKS/
Ships in November. Will sell off the 5 once it arrives. Looks like it has everything I liked about the 7, ditches the 24MP sensor which I didn't need for a 16 which is perfectly sized, uses a lighter composite body, and saves $200 off the price, and nets you Wifi and power zoom lens. Remember that there is no touchscreen tho, which I do believe is a mistake given the new apps you will be able to put on it.

 

[Sam Posten]

GH3 leaks:
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-gh3-pictures-via-youtube-video/
http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/14/3330796/panasonic-lumix-gh3-video-revealed
Interesting that they have kicked Panasonic's own sensor out and are now using one made by Sony, at least that's the word. The Panny heads are not reacting well to this news.

 

[Sam Posten]

NEX-6 are starting to trickle in around the world, none in the US yet tho. Amazon still seems mystified that they don't have one for me....

 

[Scott Merryfield]

Also add to the bad -- no electronic viewfinder, either built-in or available as as add-on. I hate using a rear LCD screen to compose a shot. Rumors are that there will be a follow-up "advanced" model down the road that may have an EVF and some buttons for easier manual control. I still do not have much interest in a mirrorless camera, even though this one will take my Canon lenses (with a $200 adapter). I may eventually pick up Canon's new 40mm f/2.8 pancake lens, though, for a more compact setup when I want to travel light. It's only $200. The lens doesn't stick out much more than the body cap.

I normally do not like quoting myself, but I did finally pick up a Canon 40mm f/2.8 pancake lens a couple of weeks ago. Canon had a sale on refurbished lenses, so it only cost $118, including tax. It's a very small lens -- about the size of my 1.4x teleconverter -- so it makes for a nice lightweight camera. It also takes almost zero extra space in a camera bag, so it is easy to pack as an extra faster lens for travel.

Here is a look:

 

[Patrick Sun]

It's just slightly larger than the body cap.

 

[Scott Merryfield]

It's just slightly larger than the body cap.

Yes, it is really low profile. I was hanging onto the 50mm f/1.4 that I bought from you, Patrick, just to use as a small, light weight travel lens. After adding this pancake lens, I am putting that 50mm up for sale -- I got a good deal on a 50mm f/1.2 L last autumn for my fast 50mm prime needs.

The only downside to the 40mm is it vignettes quite a bit on the full frame 5D3 when shot wide open. However, that seems to be a common theme with a few of my lenses on full frame, and fortunately is easily corrected in Lightroom.