Amazon.com Removed Willy Wonka Reviews

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  1. Joshua Clinard

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    Amazon.com has removed some of the previously posted reviews stating that the DVD contains ONLY pan and scan! There was somewhere above 133 reviews and now there's only 126! As far as I can tell at least 6 of the NO OAR reviews have been removed since thursday!
     
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    I saw that too....
     
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    Removing the reviews is pretty bogus, but not surprising considering that AOL/TW recently investing a ton of cash in Amazon.
     
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    well my reveiew seems to have disappeared here is what i posted.
     
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    More censorship. Just what we need.
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    Those who had reviews removed from Amazon should try to get Amazon to provide clarification and justification. Perhaps there's a legitimate reason behind the removals. But if Amazon is indeed removing negative user reviews due to some form of financial incentive then this serious and disturbing - making it a huge news story.
     
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    Oh please, this is getting ridiculous. Any more conspiracy theorists want to chime in here?
    I'm sure they have removed reviews. If I were in their shoes - so would I!
    Why? Because they don't have a "technical" review feature, they only have reviews of the movie. They have reviews of the VHS version mixed in right along with reviews of the DVD version. Any 1-star review that clearly states that the review is 1-star because of the technical features of this particular DVD are bound to be removed - as they should be, for they skew the rating of the entire movie.
    Any one-star reviews you are giving the movie - please note, the movie, not the DVD - will lower the rating of the movie across the board at Amazon, regardless of if it's on VHS, DVD or any other format.
    Essentially, what you are doing with your reviews is driving down the rating of the entire movie, and those ratings will remain low even if Warner then releases an utterly perfect technical version... so don't do that unless you really think the movie itself deserves 1 star.
    I think Amazon should have a separate rating for the particular disc that is being reviewed. Unfortunately, they don't.
    And for the record - yes, I signed all three petitions against what Warner is doing and I think it is despicable.
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    Mmm, I don't know Kimmo.
    It often says: "This review is based on the .....(VHS or DVD) version of this movie." They do allow medium specific reviews, therefore!
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    It may at first glance appear so, but if you open any Willy Wonka version, be it VHS or DVD, you will find the exact same figures - 4.5 stars, 126 reviews. Thus, all reviews of the movie across the board affect all versions of the movie. That is with great likelyhood the reason reviews that skew that rating are removed - and, as I said and IMHO, rightly so. The movie does not deserve a 1 star rating. Or at least, this movie doesn't deserve a 1 star rating unless you think the movie deserves a 1 star rating... as opposed to the DVD deserving it.
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    [Edited last by Kimmo Jaskari on August 19, 2001 at 05:06 AM]
     
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    Here's yet another company that will not be getting any more of my money.
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    I noticed yesterday:
    They have now added a link by the reviewing link that for:
    "To Report errors of listing".
    I thought this was a nice addition.
    IMHO: While a applaude everybody's enthusiasm, I think Amazon should be removing ALL THE REVIEWS!!. How can you post reviews of a DVD / Movie that has not even been released yet.
    On another note: I have always used Amazon for any DVD that is at least 25% off. They offer exceptional service and I have never had any problems.
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    If I recall correctly, much of those "1-star" reviews stated that their DVD loses picture information on the sides...
    I wouldn't be surprised if someone from amazon.com read that thread about reviews and found out that most of those 1-star reviews were by people who hadn't even seen the disc.
    amazon.com is a business and the last thing they need is open matte = pan & scan crap on their pages. They probably got a bunch of emails on why the disc is literal pan & scan and they got tired of explaining that the disc is not really pan & scanned (like some specific reviews stated), but rather an open matte transfer.
    It's not censorship. It's the same situation if a local newspaper reported that the local grocery store sold tainted meat...and the store really didn't sell tainted meat.
    Calling open matte transfers pan & scan is really pointless and it just confuses people. This deletion of those misleading reviews (and badly founded...just how the heck do you review a disc you haven't seen? That's like reviewing a restaurant by just reading the menu!) was a wise choice in my opinion. I'd be pretty angry if I released a book that got trashed by reviews...which were written by people who haven't read the book, but just heard it was bad from other people.
    I also think it's good that a lot of DVD reviewing websites aren't reviewing the disc. Lots of reviews saying the DVD is pan & scanned...ick.
    amazon.com is my choice for ordering DVD's and they're great! I pre-ordered Superman: The Movie for $18.99 and ordered Pee-Wee's Big Adventure for $16.99. They put that 4-disc Beatles DVD set in with my order for the 3 Beatles Anthology set for free. Service with a digital smile...
    [The preceeding was my opinion and my opinion only. I don't expect anyone to agree with this, nor like what I'm saying.]
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    It appears that all of those reviews have been taken down. Even mine, which is disappointing, because, quite frankly, mine was pretty accurate, and was titled "Widescreen version Omitted; great movie otherwise."
    There isn't one 1-star review left, or even a two star review(there were a few) that deals with aspect ratio. I'm at a loss as to why Amazon would do this, But I guess my thought is to re-write the review after the disc is released, and to quote Whatever Ebert has to say in my review.
     
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    You're missing the point.
    What if "DOG POOP" was really a chocolate pudding desert?
    It is called dog poop, but if you say it's bad from just the name, is it really bad?
    If anyone wants their review to stay, I reccomend giving it a more true rating and stop calling it pan & scan. I think the open matte version of Wonka should be more of a 2.5 or 3 because the absence of matting is the only thing wrong with the disc. Still, I would not give a review until I watched the disc myself. Even if the disc was matted, I would still not give ANY review until I saw the DVD with my own two eyes.
    1 star would be more suitible if the DVD was just an open matte transfer from the old disc with just the trailer.
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    So let me get this straight - Amazon is removing the one-star DVD reviews because, to paraphrase another poster, those reviewers have not yet seen the DVD. But at the same time Amazon is leaving the four and five star reviews of the DVD? [​IMG]
     
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    No, you didn't get it straight, you got it wrong.
    The straight version is (I would guess... since I have nothing to do with Amazon) that they are removing reviews that bash this movie based on the fact that one format it is available on, DVD, is not done right technically, because they feel it unfair that those reviews lower the rating of the movie. They have no feature on their web pages to review a discs technical quality.
    There are two things that people need to keep separate. The movie, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, and the fouled-up 30th anniversary DVD of said movie. A review on Amazon is a review of the movie.
    Since you're upset about this release, I would imagine you believe the movie itself deserves 4 or 5 stars. Giving it 1 star because Warner made an asinine choice and released it unmatted isn't fair to the movie.
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    quote: A review on Amazon is a review of the movie.[/quote]
    As a long-time customer of Amazon, I can say that I have seen plenty of DVD reviews that talk about the quality of the disc, supplements and technical issues, as well as the quality of the film itself. Others reflect opinions about the presentation only, positive or negative. For a good example, read through the reviews of "Star Trek II". In my opinion, reviews at Amazon is not meant to always be about the film's attributes.
    I have seen this as well in the music area, where people have left low ratings because a certain album did not include a song they thought would be there. Not quite the same as with DVD, but it still brings a particular album's rating lower and does may not sell help the album's sales.
    I will also say this - the reviews that mention the presentation, on whatever format, are outnumbered by reviews of the content.
    quote: I think Amazon should have a separate rating for the particular disc that is being reviewed.[/quote]
    I agree. I would also like for Amazon to clarify the parameters of a review for anyone who is going to write them so that the ratings will not be skewed. In their toy section, any product is given star three ratings; one for fun, one educational value, and one for durability. A similar system could be used with DVD - one for the film, one for the disc (much like the Widescreen Review's ratings).
    Regardless, I am surprised at the decision by Amazon to remove some of the reviews, but not fuming at it. More than anything, it could be damage control. If it isn't, it doesn't matter; your review is their's to do with as they wish once you send it.
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    [Edited last by GaryEA on August 19, 2001 at 05:34 PM]
     
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    But Patrick, there is no such thing as a truly open-matte transfer. As soon as they zoom in to remove boom mikes or crop for effects shots, then it is P&S (unless some WB telecine operator will put his word to it that no zooming was done).
    Trying to make open matte sound more socially acceptable than P&S is like trying to make a distinctions between scabies and rabies (I would prefer to have neither, thank you very much).
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