AbFab/Keeping Up Appearances remastered--no Blu?

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  1. Brian Himes

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    Yeah, the editing is bad. Not terrible. I certainly have seen worse. What confuses me is the editing of the theme song. Especially for season 2. It's the EXACT same version that was used for seasons 1 and 3 and those seasons have the theme song. For seasons 1-3 Julie Driscoll and Adrian Edmonson sang the song.For the Last Shout episodes, P.P. Arnold and Marianne Faithful sang the theme song, so the reason for it missing there might have to do with those artists performance of the song. The same thing for the episode, Gay. Debbie Harry sang the theme and it was edited out and in fact the scene where Debbie is on screen singing the theme is slightly edited.Season 4 Julie Driscoll and Adrain Edmondson once again sang the theme song but it was a newly recorded version. It appears on all of the season 4 episodes.Season 5 (including the two specials that followed the 5th season), Debbie Harry's version (the one used for the episode Gay which was the Christmas special following the 4th season) is once again used and it has been edited out and the instramental version is used instead.For the special White Box, once again Julie Driscoll and Adrian Edmondson's season 4 version is used but it is edited out and the instramental version is used instead.For the 20th Anniversay episodes, the season 4 version of the theme is used but instead of the instramental version being used, the US release has Sweet Dreams by The Eurythmics.Why? If they could clear the EXACT same version of the theme for other seasons why was season 2, White Box and the 20th Anniversary Specials all edited to exclude the theme? The whole mess just gives me a headache.I sort of understand The Last Shout, Gay and season 5 (and the specials that followed) not having the theme. Those versions were performed by guest artists and may have only included US broadcast rights. However, I don't think so. It just seems really screwy the way the theme has been handled.
     
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    Good job, now if only someone out there is/was doing the same for all the series CBS defiled.
     
  3. Brian McMann

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    I got the new "Keeping Up Appearances" set, and while it looks good on the whole, the remastering seems to have created some image problems, specifically in regards to how cars appear onscreen. Some severe aliasing seems to be taking place, with diagonal lines appearing very coarse and jagged (the edges of the car and the doors, for instance). I thought it was my television, but it appears the same on any screen.

    Viewing clips from what seem to be earlier sources do not reveal this aliasing to the extent that the new release has.
     
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    My experience with BBC "remastering" is don't bother if you already have the titles. It is rarely significantly better, and perhaps even more often worse. The only advantage is when they package a bunch of "remasturd" series together and sell them for a lot cheaper than they previously were. Bottom line: if it looked bad before, it'll still be some flavor of bad.

    They seem to all still have artifacts that I haven't seen on DVDs since the late 90s, except from Comedy Central.

    I could swear based on some of their older TV series that the tape they were recorded on wasn't properly erased each of the half dozen times they re-used it...
     
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    Have they been trying to make them look like film?
     
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    Interesting to know. I only purchased this set because I did not own any prior release, and it's the only one now in-print in North America. It's nice because of the more compact packaging and new bonus materials, but the remastering does seem to be a mixed bag. Perhaps the tapes were scanned at a higher rate for hi-def broadcast, and when downscaled for DVD output the image lost some data? The effect is not dissimilar to what I've seen before regarding scaling down hi-res images for standard DVD display.
     
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    Is it a compression issue? Have they included more episodes on fewer discs?
     
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    I don't think so. "The Full Bouquet" had 8 discs, including bonus features. This set has 10, with features largely confined to the last two discs. Here's the breakdown:

    Disc 1: Season 1
    Disc 2: Season 2, episodes 1-5
    Disc 3: Season 2, episodes 6-10
    Disc 4: Season 3
    Disc 5: Season 4
    Disc 6: Season 5, episodes 1-5
    Disc 7: Season 5, episodes 6-10
    Disc 8: Christmas Specials
    Disc 9: Bonus Bucket
    Disc 10: Bonus Bucket

    I'll check out the bitrate, too, but I don't think that's the issue here.
     
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    BBCWA used a bad PAL to NTSC decoder on some of their Doctor Who dvds a few years ago. They may have reused it here.
     
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    Really? Hadn't heard that one! I do know the earliest releases didn't get to take advantage of the PAL transform decoder, which allowed for significant increase in picture quality on titles like "Ark In Space", but hadn't realised they'd botched any of the transfers to NTSC.

    In the case of Keeping Up Appearances, it could also be simply that when they prepared the Region 1 release, they just pulled an early 1990s-vintage set of NTSC conversions (for PBS) off the shelf, rather than making new transfers from the PAL master tapes. Conversion technology has improved considerably since then. One has only to compare the really nice-looking transfer on the R1 set of Are You Being Served? with the overly soft, smeary tapes that normally get played on PBS.

    I've been thinking of buying Keeping Up, but I'll be going with the Region 2 one, since there's not been any reported cuts to that (unlike the R2 release of Are You Being Served?) and the R2 set is much, much cheaper than the R1 (US set, $82 or so, UK set £18.75, or roughly $32, even less still if ordering from a vendor who deducts VAT).
     
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    What PBS do you have? I don't remember AYBS? ever looking smeared/fuzzy same goes for the rest of the Britcoms they show. Maybe it's your TV, an older TV could do that with the picture.
     
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    I probably should have said in my just-previous post that I was speaking of crummy R2 BBC remasters. Just in general, I didn't mention any specific titles.

    I think I actually have a case where the R1 originals (for BBC America IIRC) are better than the R2 BBC remasters. There's a bit of "IMO" there of course since neither are exactly glowing, but my small point was just "remaster" doesn't necessarily mean better, it just means "do-over", for better or worse, so caveat emptor. Often there is a re-packaging too, and sometimes just going from single-layer to dual-layer DVDs, which is technically a remaster.
     
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    I have new HDTVs. How the Britcoms look depends entirely on what sort of tapes the individual PBS stations are broadcasting from. AYBS? and Keeping Up Appearances have been in US syndication since the early 1990s, so it's very likely earlier vintage syndication tapes are still doing the rounds at some stations, while other stations may have more recent transfers.

    These shows will look different depending on which station is showing it (and from which tapes).

    This has always been the case. There are anecdotal reports of 1970s Time/Life syndication copies of Doctor Who being used into the late '80s (and maybe even into the 1990s), despite more recent transfers having been made for T/L's successor, Lionheart.

    When I say "smeary", I mean the short of smearing you'd get with fast motion in an older PAL to NTSC transfer. Anything moving fast on the screen can "smear" or "blur" a bit in older transfers.
     
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    Yeah on The Invasion and parts of Beneath the Surface. Smeary low resolusiton pictures, jerky framerate, and lots of line noise.

    ...had nothing to with the archival nature since these were multidisc sets and for whatever reason BBCWA would go back to using their regular converter for the rest of the story.
     
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    I know The Sea Devils is one of the titles that had some of the episodes as 1970s NTSC conversions, which were transferred back to PAL (through the questionable "Reverse Standards Conversion/RSC" process), and for R1, back to NTSC once again, so are you certain this might not be the case on that one (assuming that's the part of "Beaneath the Surface" you were speaking of).

    I know several UK fans grumbling a little about the fact that there hasn't been an SE released of The Sea Devils, given the improved picture quality on the SEs of The Claws of Axos and Inferno, for instance.
     

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