A good article about the human ear and tubes

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  1. Yogi

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    think it's accurate?
     
  3. Yogi

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    I think its pretty accurate since the general tone is not favouring tubes like the other articles do. The Miller effect seems to explain why every tube has a different tone.

    Why are you such a skeptic, Chu when it comes to tubes?[​IMG]
     
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    Hi to all
    Yogi thanks! Looks like good reading. No time now but I saved it so later.
    Thanks for solid state & tube reply weeks ago[​IMG] You where right the B&K sounds grate with tubes[​IMG] [​IMG] sorry Chu did not take your advice, the Audio Experience concerto, tube Phono eq-preamp was easy and offordabul.
    Chu you are very smart but I am afraid you are trapped by ############ and think you need to get out and just listen some times!
    No time now I am off to a vinal swap meat see you all later we need more tack on tubes on this list.
    Yogi keep up the good work and thanks.
     
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    if there are two things that make me just a bit skeptical when reading an article on amplifier sound its:
    1) making mention of tubes being favored in guitar/bass amps (since theres quite a difference between sound production vs. reproduction)
    2) alluding to spiritual/religious entities. or anything non-scientific for that matter.
     
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    All I know is when I fire up my tubes I can curl up on the
    floor beside them and bask in thier warm orange and blue
    euphonic glow and roast marshmallows too! Try that with an
    S.S Amp (okay sure a 200 Watt Class A S.S Beast will fry
    eggs but it won't bask you in that glow!!!)

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hahahaha! I just realized I said A S.S [​IMG]
     
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    My only post on this:

    We don't know everything about human hearing, but we do know some things. Just because we don't know 100% Of Everything In The Universe doesn't mean certain theories & concepts are not correct.

    Using irrelevant voids in technical knowledge to "prove" a product works is disturbing to me.

    LJ
     
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    Hi all
    YOU pepepol and your ###########If this is true all speakers and amps with the same tec sheet or ### sound the same???????????????this includes BOOOOSSSSSS I THINK not.
    And I am sorry 12 awg BX DOS not make good speaker cabal[​IMG] and for the record I have booth TUBES and SS. and they sound goooooDDDDD[​IMG] [​IMG]
    Sorry I wet off NO you cant believe all you read but you can believe all you hear or can you??[​IMG] b
    But the read thing gos for #### to!!! You must listen and learn.
     
  13. Brian tj

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    HI all Chu the mane ?? was Tubes and ss and yes I ges I did ask for your $0.02 but I got 2.50 and the ?? waes lost at that point the thread went off on slamming the that preamp and did not offer any other choses do not have time to debate all the little?? fit ?? a screw did not fit just right,The ground is always a concern and by the way I did not have to connect the earth ground it works just fine no noise. Chu you seem like a nice guy but you come on to ?? strong Your posts are so long and yes some good info but but tow much by the end the point was lost. point was tubes and soiled state now I feel you do not like tube and think you wear prejudice in your response. [​IMG] and yes I have the knead for two of the EQ settings and they sound gooood[​IMG] and wen you get sooooo concerned for my mony agin you mis the ??? Tubes and SS not my money[​IMG] one more thing I never looked for FCC stamp don't care but will go look for you No stamp I also looked at my marantz dv 8300 see no stamp on that ether but it dose worn of radiation. and I did see one screw with out a lock washer owell [​IMG] Should I call Marantz about the washer??[​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  14. RichardHOS

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    My IQ just dropped four points.

    [​IMG]
     
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    You're right Brian, I should've taken the positive reports of the tube preamp and said it sounded like a fantastic deal and left it at that. It was also gauche of me to point out a factual error that's not corroborated by careful research in audibility. Fuzzy math lives I tell you [​IMG]
     
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    HI all Richard sorry for the brain drain!!
    Chu I read all the ?? you read and saw no help, good or bad for that preamp. Thats y I posted hear looking for others that have mixed tubes and ss. I read hear some one ? your schooling bolder dash, I would rather hear what you lectin to and on what. Do you do any testing out of the norm ##? ex 4awg speaker cable, mix tubes and ss and so on. ARE WE talking from experience?
    Wish I was better at this spelling, putting thoughts on paper and typing![​IMG]
    Your last post is their a happy medium????[​IMG]
     
  17. Yogi

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    Chu, that comment was only a funny remark so please dont take it seriously. I apologize if it didn't come out the way it was intended to.

    I agree to all the points that you made except perhaps #4 which I think is not true in the context of modern day tube amps. Also even though I agree with #2 I welcome the use of minimal global feedback as I am not particularly fond of the accentuated 'siblance' as I listen to a lot of vocals and my tube amp certainly excels in this area compared to my more expensive SS amp.

    Also when the author says that in listening tests they had verified that a 3mb difference is audible, I take his word for it assuming that he did do some testing to claim that, just as many of us here just believe the results of DBT without having verified it ourselves. For example I have never seen any DBT article do any kind of statistical hypothesis testing or presented any statistical data and yet many of us here live and die by them. So in every article there has to be trust beyond a certain level. After all every article cant be a Ph.D. dissertation and even in those we assume certain things to be true without asking for a proof.

     
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    I am product all evidince now you with test, sure cah subjectivt expiriment make need claim,,
     
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  20. Yogi

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    Richard, but you do accept the results of tests (without any statistical data) that go against decades of experience. Have you ever seen any data for the observations that you site. Show me the data?
    [​IMG]

    Or on second thoughts forget about the data. I dont want this thread to deteriorate into an obj vs subj thread. Already enough of those garbage threads from time to time. I just posted something that I thought was interesting reading for someone interested to know more about tubes. I am not looking for a debate about tubes vs SS. Perhaps in the future I should make that clear in the orignal post.

    Cheers.
     

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