A Few Words About A few words about...™ The Horse Soldiers -- in Blu-ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, May 17, 2011.

  1. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Archivist
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 1999
    Messages:
    9,184
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Real Name:
    Robert Harris
    As a 1959 production, John Ford's The Horse Soldiers, has everything technical on the visual side against it, and it shows.


    Unfortunately, dupey looking from frame one, the film is decidedly acceptable on Blu-ray.


    The one positive note, is that it follows a troop of Union soldiers during the Civil War, and their blue uniforms come nicely to the fore. Dupes are unfortunate, but look like dupes of the era that have seen better days. Grain is well... there.


    The right side of the frame has an occasional unfortunate shift toward yellow, and skies also have an occasional yellow tone.


    As no one is about to spend more on a half century old film by a long dead filmmaker, The Horse Soldiers is what it is, and doubtless will not be revisited for an upgrade.


    The film still holds up, with Mr. Wayne at the center of the action, along with William Holden, surrounded by the Ford company of players.


    Mr. Ford still had some terrific productions ahead of him, but The Horse Soldiers, followed by Sergeant Rutledge will be the most problematic of the bunch.


    A very good, classic film from a great filmmaker.


    Acceptable.


    RAH
     
  2. Robert Crawford

    Robert Crawford Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 1998
    Messages:
    29,227
    Likes Received:
    4,610
    Location:
    Michigan
    Real Name:
    Robert
    RAH,


    Do you think this is an older transfer as I think so? I agree with you on the acceptable grade especially since we never got a Region 1 DVD release with the OAR.


    This title has been a favorite of mine since childhood. I was too young to see it in the movie theater back in 1959, but my first recollection of seeing it for the first time in color was on my family's first color television circa 1964.








    Crawdaddy
     
  3. Mark-P

    Mark-P Producer

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2005
    Messages:
    3,004
    Likes Received:
    878
    Location:
    Camas, WA
    Real Name:
    Mark Probst
    The region 1 DVD was OAR (1.66:1), just not 16X9 enhanced.

     
  4. ahollis

    ahollis Producer

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2007
    Messages:
    6,488
    Likes Received:
    1,468
    Location:
    New Orleans
    Real Name:
    Allen

    Same here, one of the first films I saw on the color set when we got it. That is why this has a nostolgic feeling. Goes right along with the first color viewing of THE WIZARD OF OZ. Gosh I'm old.
     
  5. Scott Calvert

    Scott Calvert Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 1998
    Messages:
    885
    Likes Received:
    2


    I'd be interested to hear Robert's opinion on this as well. Also, it depends on your definition of old. For me an old transfer is one minted in the first half of the '00's. Film scanning has come a long way since then. I am almost certain this transfer was done within the last 2 years. It looks absolutely transparent to the source. Get up really close to the screen, there are no video artifacts whatsoever.
     
  6. Robert Crawford

    Robert Crawford Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 1998
    Messages:
    29,227
    Likes Received:
    4,610
    Location:
    Michigan
    Real Name:
    Robert


    Whatever, if it's not anamorphic, it is compromised quality-wise.
     
  7. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Archivist
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 1999
    Messages:
    9,184
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Real Name:
    Robert Harris
    Quote:


    If not new, it does look reasonably recent. The problems are not with the image harvest, but rather with the source elements.


    RAH
     
  8. Robert Crawford

    Robert Crawford Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 1998
    Messages:
    29,227
    Likes Received:
    4,610
    Location:
    Michigan
    Real Name:
    Robert


    RAH,


    Am I remembering correctly that De Luxe has been problematic beforehand with other titles and their source elements?









    Crawdaddy
     
  9. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Archivist
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 1999
    Messages:
    9,184
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Real Name:
    Robert Harris
    Quote:


    deluxe is an innocent party. The problem is Kodak 5248.


    RAH
     
  10. Robert Crawford

    Robert Crawford Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 1998
    Messages:
    29,227
    Likes Received:
    4,610
    Location:
    Michigan
    Real Name:
    Robert


    So the quality of the film used. Any other well known films from that era use that Kodak 5248?








    Crawdaddy
     
  11. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Archivist
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 1999
    Messages:
    9,184
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Real Name:
    Robert Harris
    Quote:


    Virtually everything shot between 1954 and late 1960 on Kodak color negative stock. Keep in mind that films were also shot on Ansco and other stocks, but the problem is inclusive of virtually every U.S. production, the most problematic being post-1955.


    RAH
     
  12. FoxyMulder

    FoxyMulder 映画ファン

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2009
    Messages:
    5,236
    Likes Received:
    1,613
    Location:
    Scotland
    Real Name:
    Malcolm
    IMDB says the UK version runs 119 minutes while the USA edition runs 115 minutes, i don't see any info on alternate versions listed on their site though, does anyone know what the extra 4 minutes consists of and what version is this blu ray. ?
     
  13. Robert Crawford

    Robert Crawford Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 1998
    Messages:
    29,227
    Likes Received:
    4,610
    Location:
    Michigan
    Real Name:
    Robert


    The BRD runs about 120 minutes including seeing the old UA logo and the MGM lion roar at the end.








    Crawdaddy
     

Share This Page