A Few Words About A few words about...™ Pinocchio -- in Blu-ray

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  1. DaViD Boulet

    DaViD Boulet Lead Actor

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    Blade Runner wasn't giving you the same film sans-restoration: they were giving you another cut of the film that they didn't have time or money to restore.
     
  2. Edwin-S

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    There is a discussion in the commentary about how the Blue Fairy scene was shot. I believe it touches on this subject. IIRC, The Blue Fairy scene was one of the more complex scenes in the film.

    I have to disagree with your assertion that the film looks plastic. The restoration impresses me more and more as I rewatch it. Maybe I'm just getting more used to it. Every time I watch the film I spot more and more of the little details that the artists put in to it.

    This is probably Disneys best restoration effort to date, despite the decision to remove the film grain. P was never a favorite of mine, but this BD has allowed me to really see this film in a whole new light. I would probably put this at number 2 behind BAMBI on my list of best Disney films.
     
  3. Bubble

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    Yes. And the fact that there is still detail in animation doesn't change the fact that it can be simplified. Look at Honest John pointing at the advertisement of Stromboli - at the white brushes on his fur, and compare the old version with the new, you will see the difference.
     
  4. Brian Borst

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    The brush strokes on the fur look much better on the new version to me. They're much more detailed (check the Blu-Ray caps).
    Oh, and the actual earlier restoration (which wasn't available in Region 1) done by Lowry looked quite similar to the new Blu-Ray and dvd. So, even if the Gold Collection disc was restored, how do you think the two newer versions look more like each other?
     
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    That's not what I think, more detail is visible because the resolution is higher, but they [brush strokes] look plain and less detailed. As for the 2003 dvd I have suspitions it has lots in common with the new restoration. And it looks very similar with the yellow-pastel workshop and the blue light from the Blue fairy.

    OH, AND I HAVE A PERFECT ONE - please, look at the Honest John's clothes in the old and new version. This is something that doesn't need to be discussed, but I especially mean the contrast between the green waistcoat, and the green pants, or the different kinds of shade on the pants that suddenly disappear in the new version.
     
  6. Robert Harris

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    Please keep in mind that when we used the word "restore" for these films, it is meant in a slightly different way from live action "restoration." This can get a bit confusing. In most every case, the Disney animated films have intact, clean original negatives. What is being created is NOT a true restoration, but rather a new edition, based upon huge amounts of internal research as to color, density, etc. The new product does not attempt to replicate original nitrate prints of the era of release. In reality the term "restore," which is a term of art, is being used here to represent a reawakening, if you will of the original intent of the filmmakers, taking advantage of modern technology, which allows a sharper, more highly resolved image then ever before possible.

    If one were to run an original 1940 print, I would imagine a hue and cry from the audience claiming it incorrect, dull and faded, when prints of that era had that specific look. Those who have seen original prints, or even frames of an original GWTW or other films of the era will see where this is going.

    As to the change of clothing, this is a well established error, and noted in cinema literature and research, both of the 1940s, and especially well documented in the great Disney book by Finch, which is inclusive of interviews with the wardrobe staff. Apparently an assistant dresser provided the wrong costume for the actor after a lunch break. Much like Mr. Grant's suit changing color during the crop-duster scene in N x NW.

    RAH
     
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    I realise that. It's just I think that there are still some people that find these old prints the best. I am one of these people. When it comes to old movies I don't really care about the technical correctness that much. I had a video-tape with the old Snow White recorded - that is how I got used to it. [​IMG]
    Exposing the background imperfections was a drastic change for me and I didn't recognized one of my favourite childhood movies...
    And I am not so old, I am a bit over my teenage.

    Concluding, I must admit being a bit selfish refering to the original versions, as I don't think myself too that someone not attached so emotionally to the old look of cartoons should appreciate the original version. But I still think it would be a great bonus feature, and I will never stop hoping someday Disney will make it available.
    Still, I think that too much animation detail is being removed from old movies, and too much changes are being made.

    And redrawing Beauty and The Beast is of course another subject.
     
  8. Robert Harris

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    Where might you have seen an original 1939 print of GWTW?
     
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    I haven't. My mistake, I confused the words "GWTW" with something else.
     
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    I think there's probably a bit of a double standard here. Interestingly (that you should bring up Dr. No), I *do* think something's not completely right w/ the Dr. No BD -- and have mentioned it once or twice somewhere on this forum (probably on one of the review threads). Honestly, I do think Dr. No has been slightly overcooked in places w/ DNR and/or contrast tweaks and/or sharpening -- and IIRC, even RAH mentioned very briefly that he wonders if something wasn't slightly overcooked at times. There are definitely a few shots/scenes where it looks a bit unnatural (and un-film-like) to me. But it's nothing distracting enough for me to go on an extended rant about. [​IMG] However, it apparently bothers you (and most others) not at all...

    To each his own I guess...

    _Man_
     
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    Unless I missed it, there seems to be the "sound of silence" on the audio problems from Disney.

    For those that felt that Disney would be quick to address the issue and possibly remedy the problems ... what say you now?
     
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    Rich: I was wondering about this very same issue just last night. The silence from the mouse is deafening.
     
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    I never said they'd be quick about it. They DO however, have a history of re-pressing problem dvds and setting up replacement programs. That can't be denied.
     
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    Exactly. Didn't it take about two years to correct the Silly Symphonies disc?
     
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    i do wish Disney would at least comment on whether a correction might be considered...or if they are content with the discs as the exist. i do miss the dialog.
     
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    As is almost always the case, I'm sure there are legal reasons for their silence. After all, if they make a statement and then for some corporate reason the terms change I'm sure they could be sued, in theory. Therefore, better to say nothing until a solid plan is in place.
     
  17. Bubble

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    Hello,

    It's me again.
    I've thought things up once again.
    I would like to write I am very sorry for my vulgar and rude critics
    about the Pinocchio Blu-Ray edition.
    I think it looks very impressive, is extremely detailed, sharp, clean, but
    on the other hand we can even see the subtle paint brushes from
    the animation drawings. It looks amazing.
    The package is also the best, I think, Disney has made yet. I can't wait
    for the Snow White Blu-Ray to be released. After all - these are my
    favourite cartoons.

    My best regards to everybody on the forum.
     

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