A Few Words About A few words about...™ Pillow Talk -- in Blu-ray

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  1. Robert Harris

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    Love Pillow Talk! I watched the BD, and I felt like I had never seen the film before! Thanks for the info on the poor state of the source material. Everyone should buy this disk, now!
     
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    Now that one knows the state of things with this film, I'd say the transfer is something of a miracle. I was very pleased with the color, and I was fine with what they did with the grain - there's a fine layer left and the optical split screen stuff actually looks pretty terrific, which, in days of old, it never did. I should think the filmmakers would have been happy with this one, especially considering the state of disrepair of the elements.
     
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    Having seen the film here in L.A. on the big screen several times over the years (including one hideously pink atrocity of a print), as well as the mediocre home video presentations, I was thrilled with the blu ray. It is almost like seeing it for the first time. I had heard that the elements weren't in great shape, but I had no idea how bad it was. Thanks RAH!

    I'm excited to see it again on the big screen at the UCLA Universal 100th Anniversary festival this month.
     
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    Thanks for all the above detail. Sounds like this one survived by the skin of its teeth. I'll be happy to buy and enjoy it.
     
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    One of my biggest disappointments back in the day was that there was no soundtrack LP for Pillow Talk. I really wanted Doris' songs in the movie (especially the title song and "Possess Me"). She cut a single of the title song (which I have on an LP) but did she ever record "Possess Me" separately?
     
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    There are a couple of mp3 downloads available on amazon, although the samples sound like they may be from vinyl. I have virtually all of Doris' CDs that have been released legitimately and I was surprised not to find "Possess Me" on any of them. This download sounds the best to me, and is, at least, in stereo:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0074Z8AS8/ref=dm_dp_trk19?ie=UTF8&qid=1336082638&sr=1-3
     
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    You had me scared there for a minute. I thought you were describing what the film looks like on the Blu-ray, but alas you were only talking about the condition of the original negative. I'm glad Universal managed to restore it as well as they have as this is one I've been dying to upgrade from the lousy-looking DVD.
     
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    Yes, she cut "Possess Me," "Inspiration" and "Roly Poly" separately for Columbia (along with the title tune.) "Possess Me" is decent, but can't compare with the version done for the film, which I think is really sublime. The only song I feel fares better in the studio versions was "Roly Poly" which had mostly different lyrics and a REALLY tight, very jazzy arrangement. The song is till un-PC, but the recording is quite good and fun.

    Bear Family Records released the soundtrack on cd several year ago. It was taken from private tapes of the score cues and vocals which Ross Hunter gave to Rock Hudson as a present. It also includes Doris' studio recordings of the 4 songs, as well as Rock's studio recordings of them. (Yes, Rock recorded them in the studio as well, and they aren't bad!). It also includes brief (radio advertising) intros by Doris and Rock of the songs and some scenes in the film. Not sure how easy it is to get these days, but probably not too hard.

    Here's a link to Amazon's page for the soundtrack to give you some info on it...
    http://www.amazon.com/Pillow-Talk-Doris-Rock-Hudson/dp/B0000282R2/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1336090467&sr=1-4

    And here's a link to Youtube video someone did using the studio version of "Roly Poly."
     
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    Thanks for all the information and help, guys. I really appreciate it.
     
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    I found the color to be way pumped up for a film shot on late 5248 and it should be in the same color neighborhood as Bell, Book and Candle is. At times Doris' skin in the new blu-ray looks like she stuck her head in a bag of nacho cheese Doritos. Too much grain has been removed and if Universal only reduced the grain in the optical sections to match around the original production footage it would’ve been much more pleasing to the eye. Overall, it’s nice eye candy, incorrect, pretty, but not spectacular yet still enjoyable. It's the best it's ever looked on video, and Universal mastering IS getting better, but....
    Image : :star: :star::half: out of :star::star::star::star:
     
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    I showed "Pillow Talk" to a friend who works in film restoration last night and we were both blown away at the spectacular images on the BluRay. I found the color astonishingly beautiful, near perfection, and was constantly noticing the textures in the set design, the grain of the wood paneling, the beautiful design of the piano bar, the charicatures and paintings on the wall, the rich designs inside the automobiles, the texture of Doris' red velvet dress and her other outfits and most especially Doris' beautiful blue eyes and Rock's brown. It was like watching "Pillow Talk" for the first time.
    For a film from this era notorious for weak, faded color, Universal's work on this one is tops in my book.
     
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    In addition to the great color (Doris never looked "nacho cheese" color on my system), and the incredible detail (especially in the fabrics) I also thought the sound was great. I would not have minded had they been able to do the music in stereo (a la BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S and THE APARTMENT), but this disc has very robust, clean mono sound and I was very pleased with it. Quite a feat considering Mr. Harris' comments about the condition of the sound track.
     
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    I agree about the color being right, and I don't find it pumped up at all - this film always had garish colors - it was a Ross Hunter trademark and it had nothing to do with the film stock. Anyone who doesn't think this had this kind of color in theaters never saw it in theaters. And Doris Day's make-up is Doris Day's make-up - it has nothing to do with pumped up color - that was her make-up. I worked with her and that's what it was.
     
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    Doris is a tan lady, but her make-up was never that shade in late 50’s/early 60’s. By the time she did her CBS TV show it was going that direction of orange, but not in this era. If you see at an I.B. print of SEND MY NO FLOWERS (shot on the later 5250 stock), she looks tan and normal. Her skin tone in PILLOW TALK should look about the same.
    The blu-ray is a modern interruption by the restoration supervisors at Universal who think (or feel) films from this era, shot on this film stock, 5248, looked this way originally in the theaters. If Universal tried to capture the original color timing feel from the late 1950’s, on a film printing in Eastman color, Pillow Talk would look completely different on blu-ray today. It was never this colorful in 1959, or in the 1962 re-release, but in 2012 we expect it to be bright and very colorful. The modern look on PILLOW TALK is enjoyable like candy, so indulge. :)
     
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    Actually, Doris' makeup in Pillow Talk was completely different from her prior or subsequent makeups. It was a bit darker and thicker by design to be different from what she had before and to cover most of her freckles. Ross Hunter was very firm about her different look for this film. It was not used again in her subsequent films, even the other Hunter ones. They went for a more naturalistic look afterward. But it has nothing to do with pumped up color on the blu ray. I've seen the film on the big screen countless times, often with a second Doris Day feature, and the makeup was always darker on this particular film and different from her others. But be that as it may, it in no way appeared "nacho cheese" colored on my setup.

    In fact, to give you an idea how heavy this particular makeup was, compare these two photos from the time of shooting, the first with a normal glamour makeup and the second one from the set in full makeup.



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    Sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree on this (and maybe others). And see John Moreland's knowledgeable post above.
     
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    I hope that someday Universal will see fit to give this level of care to THAT TOUCH OF MINK, which I like almost as well as PILLOW TALK. Does Universal still own it? The rather dreadful DVD was released by a different company (the DVD even looked bad in the early days of DVD)..
     
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    I believe the rights are now with Olive Films. The original film was a joint venture between Grant's, Day's and writers Stanley Shapiro and Nate Monaster's companies and was only distributed by Universal. While it's one of my least favorite Day or Grant films, here's hoping it gets better treatment in the future. The dvd was pretty awful, as you said.
     
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    Oh man, just time for a quick spot-check today, but this disc is beautiful. We all have to choose our battles, and I, for one, don't ask for anything nicer for this film than what we've got right here. I'll be enjoying it straight through tonight or tomorrow night.
     

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