A faithful PC user switches to mac and never wants to look back!

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  1. Ronald Epstein

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    Before I begin, I need to thank the members of Home Theater Forum.

    Last year, as I contemplated my next computer purchased, many
    of you had to put up with me as I "hemmed and hawed" over whether
    I should buy a PC or a macintosh.

    I should note that during the time of my decision dilemma, my
    $4k custom built PC from Velocity Micro was being serviced for
    the umpteenth time.

    One thing that the folks at Velocity Micro told me was that
    custom built computers are more prone to having software
    conflicts because of all the different pieces of hardware installed
    inside.

    Then there was Microsoft's new operating system....

    In early November I began beta testing Windows Vista. I
    was quite shocked and disappointed to find that after years
    of work that Microsoft put into this operating system, the new
    OS was more "evolutionary" than "revolutionary." For me, VISTA
    is little more than a glorified Windows XP, and if this was the
    best that Microsoft could do, then I needed to look elsewhere.

    Getting back to the members of Home Theater Forum....

    I can't tell you how many times a handful of members urged
    me to go and buy a mac. For months I resisted. After all, for
    years the word "mac" was something not highly spoken about
    within the PC community. For many PC users, a mac is readily
    regarded as an ultra-expensive "alien" computer that is difficult
    to master. Some feel you can't do half the things on a mac that
    you can do on a PC. This sort of thought process is burned into
    the minds of PC users and for that reason, most are hesitant to
    make the switch -- despite the fact their home PC is acting as
    flaky as ever.

    When Velocity Micro still had my PC computer in shop for over
    7 weeks, I crossed my fingers and ordered a Mac Pro desktop.
    You can imagine the fear that went through my mind when I
    dropped $3.5k on a souped up version of the Pro -- but at least
    the overall cost of the purchase was somewhat comparable to what
    a PC of equal value would have cost.

    When I first turned on my Mac Pro I must admit I had a few
    moments of not knowing to do next. At first, OS X can seem
    a bit intimidating to a PC user. However, within an hour I was
    freely moving across its interface installing my first batch of
    programs. What is most remarkable about OS X is that you
    simply drag files (equivalent to .exe) to a folder and that program
    is instantly installed. When you want to remove a program, you
    simply drag its icon to the trashcan. There is no registry to deal
    with here.

    The most important and perhaps ironic reason why I decided
    to finally purchase a mac was for the reason that through a
    revolutionary piece of software called Parallels, I was
    able to use Windows within the OS X environment. In other words,
    I have both the mac OS X and Windows Vista operating system
    running in the same environment at the same time.

    Take a look at my desktop....

    [​IMG] a PC with full 3D gaming and higher graphic support.

    I honestly feel there is an "awakening" taking place amongst
    PC users who are tired of buying computers that flake out on
    them or run on operating systems like Windows that have borrowed
    features that were in mac operating systems long before it.

    There's something to be said for those cool "Hello, I'm a Mac --
    I'm a PC" commercials that have brought out the humorous
    aspects of windows flawed.

    After a few short weeks, I am proud to say that I am a very
    content mac user. The investment I made in this Mac Pro was
    a very solid one. I think anyone contemplating their next PC
    purchase should take a long, hard look at what Apple has to offer.
     
  2. Michael_K_Sr

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    To be honest Ron, I'd stopped reading your seemingly annual "why should I get a Mac" posts some time ago because it always seemed Mac users would provide a comprehensive list of reasons to switch and in the end, you'd always just buy another PC. [​IMG] Imagine my shock a few weeks ago when I took a peek at the your most recent post and saw you had taken the plunge and gotten a Mac Pro. [​IMG] Welcome!
     
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    As a long time Mac user, I've usually just shrugged and moved on if there was something only available as a PC program that I did not have access to. I do have to say, however, that I am very impressed at the integrated environment of both operating systems on the Apple machine. It's rather pleasing to see these worlds merge.

    By the way, Ron, that's a pretty big desktop! What size monitor did you get? When I set my resolution to allow the most screen real estate like that, my friends always complain everything is too small. [​IMG]
     
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    Ron, basically you picked the right time to make the switch. Even though the Mac OS has always, in my opinion, been better than anything Windows, it wasn't really until 10.3 that things got going. 9 became a real pig that loved to lock up and 10.2 was better, but still unstable. 10.4 is an absolute dream. Also, I know die-hard Windows users who are also now thinking about an Intel Mac to run windows almost exclusively, simply because Apple hardware is so reliable. Glad you enjoy it.

    BTW, I am using a 6 year old Mac Desktop, and I use it extensively for work every day, and it is still kicking and doing a great job. I did spend about $350 for a new, faster processor, video card and HD bus about 15 months ago, but that is it. How many Windows users can say that?
     
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    I didn't have to take a long, hard look to decide to stick with the PC. I just spent $1600 on a new PC and the Mac mini and the iMac aren't powerful enough for me. I want the best, and the best is simply too expensive with the Mac Pro: it starts at $2500. If prices started at around $1500, I wouldn't think twice about buying a Mac. Until I can comfortably spend $3000 on a new computer or the prices drop (the former being more likely), I can't afford to switch.
     
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    Dell 30" monitor. Love it!
     
  7. Ted Todorov

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    Actually the $2500 price of the MacPro is a popular myth. I went to the Apple Store and configured a MacPro for $2121.
    If you have a friend who is a college student or teacher you can get it even cheaper with an Apple educational discount. And if you truly do want "the best", it has been demonstrated that a Dell equivalently configured to a standard MacPro is almost $1000 more, so I seriously doubt that your $1600 PC can match a MacPro feature for feature.

    Ted
     
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    Damn, Ron...I think I'd go insane with that many icons in my Dock on a 30" monitor. Glad to see you opted for one of the two best Mac FTP clients in Yummy FTP, though. I use Yummy at home and Transmit at work, and find both to be excellent.

    Now, head over to InterfaceLIFT and get rid of that stock desktop picture and hard drive icon. [​IMG]
     
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    This pricing thing, well I've said too much already on the topic...

    ThomasC obviously doesn't want "the best" - the best costs a lot more than $1600, no matter the source. I infer he wants upper mid-range. From extensive comparisons, my conclusion is that hardware-to-hardware, low-end and mid-range Mac desktops are 25% more expensive than PCs. ThomasC's $1600 Dell desktop will cost $2000 for a very similar 20" iMac.

    That $400 increase I think sways many people who might otherwise be on the fence about a new computer. And it still kills any possible office purchase, for a normal corporation.

    All accounts are that the Mac Pro is better priced than similar PC. But that's beyond why home users and office workers are buying. Now if I were a grad student today... [​IMG]

    Laptops, don't know.


    As for Ron's excitement: I'm very glad to hear a hardcore, dyed in the wool, PC / Windows user find the grass truly greener on the other side. I've begun amassing a war chest to buy an iMac, Parallels, new software, Office Mac upgrade, iLife, and perhaps a new copy of XP, to jump in head-first once Leopard and hardware refreshes are announced.

    Hopefully I won't get cold feet at the last minute and find myself with a new Dell... [​IMG]
     
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    Sorry, what I think is best, not "the best." [​IMG] I want the best, of course, but the best is always too expensive for me. I really don't need dual-core Xeon processors, Core 2 Duo is fine for me. It's basically the sentiment from those of us who want a "normal" Mac.

    I'm building my own computer:

    $200 ASUS Motherboard
    $315 Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz
    $180 2GB Corsair Memory
    $90 320GB Seagate Hard Drive
    $100 256MB XFX GeForce 7600GS Fanless
    $130 Antec Case
    $95 Nexus Power Supply
    $280 Windows XP Professional Retail

    And other miscellaneous parts which adds up to $1600.

    If Apple made Mac OS available for the PC, I would jump all over it.

    It was good to hear what you had to say, Ron. I didn't really realize how Parallels worked until you showed your desktop, and it looks to do more than I thought. [​IMG]
     
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    Not only Yummy FTP for Ron, but also the venerable Fetch which I was shocked last month to see had been updated to Universal.
     
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    I'm also considering making the switch to a Mac. I've already had experience working with them at school, so I'm comfortable with OSX. (Apple says 10.5 will be ready in the 2nd quarter.) I'm debating between the iMac and Mac Pro. Honestly, the Mac Pro is what I want....but it's so darn expensive. The thing is a beast. More power than I really need. The iMac would be just fine, but I hate not being able to upgrade it much in the future (except RAM).

    Anyway Ron, congrats on the new computer. That's a sweet monitor too.
     
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    That is interesting to hear. My company (which is PC only except for the old PowerBook on my desk [​IMG]) doesn't have a single desk top computer in use that is more powerful than the Core Duo Mac Mini I have at home -- the Mini, booted into XP, runs rings around the brand new, so called "developer" Dell PC I have under my desk at work. And the Mini certainly fits in a corporate budget.

    I think that there is this common myth that the Mini is some kind of weak machine, incapable of being a serious corporate computer, when in fact it is categorically better than the junk in my office. Right now the main reasons most companies wouldn't consider a Mac are ignorance, prejudice, fear and inertia.

    There is one (major) problem with the Mini -- it doesn't support dual monitors. Apple really needs to build a Maxi -- a Mini with a better (and dual monitor) video card and 3.5" disks. It would sell like wildfire to the HT crowd and I bet it could make inroads in corporate America with the right push.

    Ted
     
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    It is funny you mention the "developer" PC by Dell. Our developers somehow ended up last year with a little Dell box with a 40 gig hard drive that was barely faster than their previous desktop. I did not even know they made 40 gig hard drives anymore. I ended up with a faster Dell laptop with an 80-gig hard drive.

    We always had a couple of people who brought in their PowerBooks, but in the last year, we actually had several people bring in iMacs (including that gorgeous 24-incher), PowerBooks, MacBook Pros, a G4 Cube (souped up), and more. At one point, I brought in a mini, and now I occasionally bring in my MacBook. The bottom line is that these computers serve as fully functional UNIX boxes, and they are ideal for development--especially in a team of UNIX-savvy professionals.

    I have an old iMac DV tube, that at 500Mhz is a better performer than an old 600Mhz Dell Pentium box I have at my work desk. And since it runs CVS and Java like any other system, I am very close to bringing it in as a secondary build box.

    Bottom line, there are a lot of Macs at my PC-only work place.

    Oh, I love the idea of a Mac Maxi! Although my Core Duo mini serves well as an HTPC, serving up EyeTV content and the occasional DVD at 1080p via DVI.

    - Steve
     
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    Spec for spec, hardware-to-hardware, minis and iMacs are 25% more expensive than Windows PCs. My office is all 2.8 GHz P4 PCs (at best). Even if corporate IT considered a mini in its bidding, shopping equivalent C2D machines, IBM or Dell by way of corporate purchasing will be the better price and so purchased.

    The mini isn't underpowered, it's just expensive compared to a PC. For $600 I can buy C2D system at BestBuy with monitor and maybe a printer. Checking bullet points, the mini is expensive. Checking against Macs, it's a marvel: the first(?) fully configured Mac for less than $600.

    Considering iLife + OSX are about $200, it almost makes more sense to buy a new mini than soley upgrade software.

    As to Steve's case: I'm in "big business" and you generally can't, and I'd advise against, bringing in personal hardware for business use.
     
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    I've posted in a few other threads about wanting a macbook pro, but Costco just released the new HP dv9233 laptops with vista, for $1499 (wtih $150 off coupon in march). This one has 17" screen, 2gb ram, 240gb hard drive, 1.66ghz core 2 duo processor, 256mb video card and 8x dl lightscribe burner. So except for the processor, this laptop is almost identical to the mac (not really counting that I cant use FCP on this one, however I can easily edit on Adobe Premiere so thats no problem), except more than $1000 cheaper ($800 if you buy a refurbished one). Considering I'm on a budget, this definitely appealed to me greatly. And the great thing is that Costco has a 6 month return policy on it with no BS restocking fee the other guys have. So I'll be busy editing some projects on it and testing it out, hopefully within the 6 months Mac releases the next gen of laptops so I can jump back over to them! [​IMG]
     
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    Welcome, Ron.
    Glad you've made the switch!

    ENJOY.

    -Scott
     
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    Great job Ron! Glad to hear you're happy with everything!

    is there really that much you need the Windows partition for?
     
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