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Discussion in 'After Hours Lounge (Off Topic)' started by Patrick_S, Mar 29, 2013.
Well the reality in the game today is when you are a known cheat, remember he did fail a drug test; people are always going to be suspicious when you put up good numbers. It’s not fair but it is the way things are in the game.
I used to be a big fan of Cowherd, but he doesn't seem as thoughtful as he used to be. Still like him well enough, though.
Suspected cheat is not the same as known cheat. It's still not clear what caused the positive test result 10 years ago, and I strongly suspect that if he were juicing, some concrete information would have come out by now.
That said, suspicion is not unreasonable in this case. All of baseball will continue to operate under the PED cloud for a long, long time.
Considering that St. Louis is a much smaller market and we still manage to get 3 million attendance consistently, I think that's pretty good. And no one waits until things get interesting late in the season. They are there in the stands from opening day on. And I see a lot of Cardinal jerseys in the stands on the out of town broadcasts.
And in my experience, Cardinal fans are pretty respectful of other teams and their fans and they are really knowledgeable about the game. Appreciating good plays and good players, no matter what the team.
He failed a ped test. Doesnt this make him a known cheater. Taking PEDs caused the failed test.
This is part of my own confusion on this particular subject.
MLB has never released anything (I don't think) saying Ortiz ever failed a PED test. Just the 2009 NY Times report included his name among a number of players who failed a PED test back in 2003 before it was a punishable offense and they were instituting the testing process.
But this is where I am fuzzy.
The only thing I'm certain about is how his season-to-season numbers are really pretty consistent. There don't seem to be many major peaks or valleys which seem to be common in the careers of those players who are known to have failed drug tests.
Baseball never officially released the list but the Times was able to get a copy. Someone in baseball probably leaked it for some reason.Ortiz is on the list of players that failed a PED test back in 2003. Of course Boston fans will defend him till their last breath, Big Papi will always be innocent to them while others on the list are of course cheats. That is how fandom works.
Not for everyone, Patrick.
Good to know, Mike.
Yes, Ortiz failed a test 10 years ago. It's possible that he was cheating, and it's possible that it was a false positive. There's no way of knowing for sure (at least for the public), although if he is guilty then he wouldn't be the first cheat to claim that his test was a false positive.
You may have already seen this. But if not, enjoy!Never-Before-Seen Color Footage Of 1965 Baseball Is Incredibly Cool
That is wild!
That is REALLY wild!
Excellent find, Scott!
Look at those Cincy uniforms! And look how big that bat looks in Tommy Harper's hands!
All the bats look big. And, strangely, none of them seem to break. Hmmmmmmm.
Pete Rose, Vada Pinson, Ernie Banks, Ron Santo, Frank Robinson...
Pete Rose leads off the 9th at 21:15. Look how far he stands off the plate! And he tried to bunt for a base hit. How young he was! He really busted it down the line (as always).
Maloney had 150 pitches after eight innings! Mid-60s baseball was just awesome!
Everyone knows that the bats were much bigger back then.